Kia Sedona Complaints

2,536 consumer complaints on file.

#10555712December 11, 2013
ENGINE, ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2006 KIA SEDONA. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE VEHICLE WOULD STALL AS SOON AS THE ENGINE WAS STARTED. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO THE DEALER WHERE THE CONTACT WAS ADVISED THAT THE JUNCTION BOX AND INSTRUMENT PANEL MODULE NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. IN ADDITION, THE ENGINE WAS LEAKING OIL INTO THE ALTERNATOR. THE DEALER MADE REPAIRS TO RECTIFY THE OIL LEAK FAILURE BUT TO NO AVAIL. THE INSTRUMENT PANEL MODULE AND JUNCTION BOX WERE NOT REPLACED. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 100,783.
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10554726December 3, 2013
POWER TRAIN
THE VAN WAS IN DRIVE TO MOVE FORWARD WHEN THE GAS WAS PRESSED INSTEAD OF GOING FORWARD IT WENT IN REVERSE & WHEN THE BRAKE WAS PRESSED TO STOP IT DIDN'T WORK. THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THE VAN BEFORE GOING INTO THE CEMENT WALL OF A COMMUNITY CENTER WAS TO OPEN THE DRIVER DOOR WHICH CAUSED 3 OTHER VEHICLES TO BE DAMAGED. THANK GOD THE DRIVER IS SAFE BUT THE VAN HAS DEEMED A TOTAL LOSS BY THE INSURANCE COMPANY. *TR
Crash:
Yes
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10554230December 1, 2013
EXTERIOR LIGHTING
FRONT SIGNAL LIGHT CONNECTORS FAIL TO HOLD BULB IN PLACE CAUSING FOR SIGNAL LIGHTS TO NOT WORK. IT HAS CAUSED SEVERAL CLOSE CALLS WITH MOTORISTS NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE I'M TURNING DUE TO THIS FAULT. TAKES ABOUT AND HOUR TO REMOVE BOTH HEADLIGHTS TO PUSH BULBS BACK TO PLACE AND UNFORTUNATELY, THIS WILL ONLY LAST A DAY TO A WEEK AND THEN REDO ALL THAT WORK. BESIDES THE WORK IT IS REALLY UNSAFE. *TR
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10553509November 23, 2013
AIR BAGS
DRIVING HOME AND A DEER JUMPED OUT IN FRONT OF MY VAN AND I HIT THE DEER AND TOTALED MY VAN BAD WHERE THE AIR BAGS SHOULD OF WENT OFF BUT IT DIDN'T NOW THERE'S A LIGHT ON THE DASH THAT LOOKS LIKE A GUY SITTING IN A SEAT WITH A BELT ON AND AN AIR BAG IN FRONT OF IT.
Crash:
Yes
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10553070November 20, 2013
SUSPENSION, STEERING, WHEELS
WAS DRIVING NORMALLY AND SUDDENLY LEFT FRONT WHEEL STARTED SKIDDING AS IT FELT LIKE IT WAS TURNED IN A DIRECTION THAT OPPOSED THE OTHER FRONT TIRE DIRECTION. VEHICLE QUICKLY BECAME UNSTEARABLE. LEFT LOWER CONTROL ARM WAS FOUND TO BE TOTALLY RUST WEAKENED WITH LARGE RUST HOLES AND CRACKS.....AND AFTER PART WAS REMOVED BY A MECHANIC, I COULD EASILY BEND THE WHOLE CONTROL ARM IN HALF WITH VERY LITTLE EFFORT. IF THIS SUDDEN FAILURE HAD OCCURRED MOMENTS EARLIER WITH MY KIDS ON THE WAY TO SCHOOL AND ON THE HIGHWAY....THIS COULD HAVE BEEN A MUCH WORSE RESULT. AS A RESULT, I ALSO HAD TO REPLACE BOTH FRONT TIRES, CERTAIN PARTS CONNECTING TO THIS CONTROL ARM AND HAD TO HAVE THE VEHICLE REALIGNED. THE OPPOSITE CONTROL ARM ON THE RIGHT SIDE SEEMS TO LOOK 'NORMAL' WITH NO APPARENT RUST WEAKENING. IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THE INTACT SIDE HAS A TYPE OF COATING THAT IS INTACT AND THE FAILED SIDE IS MISSING MUCH/MOST OF THE COATING. *TR
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10552380November 15, 2013
AIR BAGS
I BOUGHT MY VAN IN 2012 FROM MODERN TOYOTA IN WINSTON SALEM NC. I HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM. I DID HAVE A BATTERY ISSUE AND REPLACED THE BATTERY ABOUT 4 MONTHS AGO. ALL THE SUDDEN MY AIRBAG LIGHT HAS COME ON AND WILL NOT GO OFF. I AM CONCERNED BECAUSE I HAVE THREE CHILDREN, AND I HAVE HEARD THAT THE 2006 KIA SEDONA HAS THESE PROBLEMS WITH AIRBAG. IS THERE GOING TO BE A RECALL ON IT? *TR
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10551566November 8, 2013
STRUCTURE:BODY:DOOR, STRUCTURE:BODY
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2011 KIA SEDONA. THE CONTACT STATED THAT WHILE PARKED ON A DOWNWARD HILL, THE REAR PASSENGER ATTEMPTED TO EXIT THE VEHICLE BUT THE DOOR SLAMMED INTO THE PASSENGER, PINNING HER INTO THE FRAME. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO THE DEALER FOR INSPECTION WHERE THEY STATED THAT THE FAILURE WAS NOT A SAFETY DEFECT AND THE VEHICLE WAS DESIGNED TO ACT IN THE MANNER IN WHICH IT DID. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOTIFIED. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 45,000. UPDATED 12/20/13*CN
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
1
Deaths:
0
#10550415October 31, 2013
STRUCTURE:FRAME AND MEMBERS:UNDERBODY SHIELDS, SUSPENSION
WHILE SLOWING TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN ON A RESIDENTIAL STREET APPLIED BRAKES AND HEARD LOAD NOISE (LIKE TIRE BLOWING) FOLLOWED BY SUDDEN LOCK UP OF FRONT WHEEL. UPON INSPECTION THE LEFT LOWER FRONT CONTROL ARM HAD BLOWN OUT DO TO METAL CORROSION. ONCE REMOVED THE INSIDE OF THE HOLLOW ARM WAS FULL OF RUST FLAKES. *TR
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10550028October 29, 2013
STRUCTURE:BODY, ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
THIS COMPLAINT IS IN RELATION TO EXISTING COMPLAINT AT NHTSA. MY 2008 KIA SEDONA (STILL UNDER WARRANTY SINCE PURCHASED IN JANUARY 2009) CONTINUES TO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE DRIVER SIDE SLIDING DOOR OPENING AND CLOSING. KIA SERVICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN VERY DILIGENT IN ATTEMPTING TO FIX THE ISSUE ON THREE SEPARATE OCCASIONS. THE FIRST OCCASION, THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT COULD NOT REPLICATE THE ISSUE. I WENT TO PICK THE VEHICLE UP AND RIGHT AWAY WAS ABLE TO SHOW THE SERVICE CENTER THE ISSUE. THEY WITNESSED THE ISSUE AND ORDERED A REPLACEMENT PART OF WHICH KIA OF FREDERICKSBURG REPLACED. APPROXIMATELY 1 MONTH LATER, THE SAME ISSUE WITH THE SAME DOOR SURFACED AGAIN. THIS SECOND TIME THE DEALERSHIP KEPT THE VEHICLE FOR ONE WEEK (MONDAY ' FRIDAY, 9/23-9/27/2013) AND REPLACED TWO MORE PARTS ON THE DOOR. THE ISSUE STILL REMAINS AFTER THREE COMPONENT REPLACEMENTS/REPAIRS. APPROXIMATELY 1 MONTH AFTER THE SECOND VISIT, THE DRIVER SIDE SLIDING DOOR STARTED EXPERIENCING THE SAME OPENING/CLOSING ISSUE HOWEVER A NEW ISSUE SURFACED. THE DRIVER SIDE SLIDING DOOR CAME AJAR TWICE WHILE THE VEHICLE WAS IN MOTION (WITH PWR ON IN OVERHEAD CONSOLE) AND CAME AJAR ONCE WHILE THE VEHICLE WAS IN MOTION (WITHOUT PWR ON IN OVERHEAD CONSOLE). THIS IS A HUGE SAFETY ISSUE AS THE SLIDING DOOR SHOULD NOT OPEN AT ALL WHILE THE VEHICLE IS IN MOTION AND ESPECIALLY AFTER THE DOOR HAS LATCHED SUCCESSFULLY AFTER CLOSING. ALL THREE TIMES THE DOOR WAS MANUALLY SHUT AND ENGAGED. THE VEHICLE WAS LAST SEEN ON 10/29/13 AND THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT IS UNABLE TO REPLICATE THE ISSUE ALTHOUGH A MAJOR ISSUE STILL REMAINS AS THE DRIVER SIDE SLIDING DOOR OPENS WHILE IN MOTION AND HAS ISSUES OPENING AND CLOSING AFTER 3 REPAIRS. I CANNOT AFFORD TO CONTINUE BRINGING THE VEHICLE BACK AND FORTH FOR SEVERAL ECONOMICAL AND PERSONAL REASONS. SIMPLY PUT, THE DOOR NEEDS TO BE 100% OPERATIONAL AND SAFE. REQUEST KIA RESOLVE THE ISSUE. *TR
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10550026October 29, 2013
STRUCTURE:BODY:DOOR, ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
MY 2008 KIA SEDONA (STILL UNDER WARRANTY SINCE PURCHASED IN JANUARY 2009) CONTINUES TO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE DRIVER SIDE SLIDING DOOR OPENING AND CLOSING. SOMETIMES THE DOOR WOULD NOT OPEN/CLOSE ENTIRELY, WOULD STOP AS IT OPEN/CLOSES, OR WILL NOT OPEN AT ALL ELECTRONICALLY, ONLY MANUALLY. KIA SERVICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN VERY DILIGENT IN ATTEMPTING TO FIX THE ISSUE ON TWO SEPARATE OCCASIONS. THE FIRST OCCASION, THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT COULD NOT REPLICATE THE ISSUE. I WENT TO PICK THE VEHICLE UP AND RIGHT AWAY WAS ABLE TO SHOW THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT THE ISSUE. THEY WITNESSED THE ISSUE AND ORDERED A REPLACEMENT PART OF WHICH DEALERSHIP REPLACED. APPROXIMATELY 1 MONTH LATER, THE SAME ISSUE WITH THE SAME DOOR SURFACED AGAIN. THIS SECOND TIME THE DEALERSHIP KEPT THE VEHICLE FOR ONE WEEK (MONDAY ' FRIDAY, 9/23-9/27/2013) AND REPLACED TWO MORE PARTS ON THE DOOR. THE ISSUE STILL REMAINS AFTER THREE COMPONENT REPLACEMENTS/REPAIRS. FURTHERMORE, THE INSIDE WALL/CASING FROM PREVIOUS WORK ON THE DRIVER SLIDING DOOR IS NOW COMING APART AND NEEDS TO BE FIXED. ADDITIONALLY, THE PASSENGER SLIDING DOOR SHOWED ONE SYMPTOM OF THE SAME ISSUE AS THE DRIVER SLIDING DOOR WITH OPENING AND CLOSING AS WELL AS VERY DIFFICULT TO OPEN WHEN THE PWR IS TURNED OFF IN THE OVERHEAD CONSOLE (MORE DIFFICULT THAN USUAL). THEREFORE THERE IS CONCERN THE PASSENGER SLIDING DOOR IS GOING TO START EXPERIENCING THE SAME ISSUE AS THE DRIVER SLIDING DOOR. I HAVE CONTACTED KIA CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE CENTER REQUESTING KIA FIX THE ISSUE TO 100% OPERATIONAL AND WARRANTY THE WORK/PARTS PAST THE ORIGINAL VEHICLE WARRANTY PERIOD AT NO COST TO ME. THIS ISSUE IS NOT ISOLATED AS THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION (NHTSA) ' HTTP://WWW.SAFERCAR.GOV HAS RECORD OF AT LEAST 7 CASES FOR KIA SEDONA 2008 VEHICLES EXPERIENCING IDENTICAL OR SIMILAR ISSUES WITH SLIDING DOORS JUST LIKE MY VEHICLE. *TR
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10548689October 21, 2013
SUSPENSION
LEAVING PARKING GARAGE TURNING ONE OF THE CORNERS A VIOLENT VIBRATION STARTED WITH A GRINDING TYPE OF NOISE AND WAS UNABLE TO TURN THE VEHICLE. UPON INSPECTION THE LOWER RIGHT CONTROLLER ARM SHOWED SIGNIFICANT SIGNS OF RUST AND HAD COMPLETELY BROKEN IN TWO PIECES. LOOKING AT THE LOWER LEFT CONTROLLER ARM, SIGNIFICANT SIGNS OF RUST CAN BE SEEN ALSO. THIS VEHICLE HAS NEVER BEEN IN A HIGH SALT ENVIRONMENT. THESE ARE THE ONLY 2 PIECES ON THE VEHICLE WITH SUCH A HIGH AMOUNT OF RUST. *TR
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10548512October 19, 2013
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM, EQUIPMENT ADAPTIVE/MOBILITY, EXTERIOR LIGHTING
I REPLACED A BLOWN 10 AMP FUSE ON A DEALER INSTALLED TRAILER WIRING HARNESS ADAPTER. 15-20 MINUTES LATER I NOTICED A FIRE COMING FROM DRIVER'S SIDE REAR LIGHT ASSEMBLY. REMOVED FUSE, REMOVED LIGHTING ASSEMBLY, PUT OUT FIRE. IN LOOKING AT DAMAGE, TRAILER HARNESS ADAPTER WAS MELTED ALONG WITH SEVERAL WIRES ATTACHED TO IT. FOAM BUMPER PADDING CAUGHT FIRE AND WAS MELTED. NO VISIBLE BODY DAMAGE. *TR
Crash:
No
Fire:
Yes
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10548486October 18, 2013
STRUCTURE:BODY
THE ENGINE HOOD POPPED OPEN ON THE HIGHWAY (50MPH) CAUSING IT TO SWING BACK AND BREAK THE WINDSHIELD. DURING THIS TIME THE DRIVER'S VIEW (MY WIFE) WAS COMPLETELY OBSTRUCTED UNTIL SHE WAS ABLE TO BRING THE CAR TO A STOP ON THE MIDDLE LANE. I CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY THE SECONDARY SAFETY HOOK DID NOT ENGAGE PREVENTING THE HOOD FROM VIOLENTLY FLYING OPEN. THE CAR IS 5 YEARS OLD WITH 29000 MILES AND HAS NEVER BEEN IN AN ACCIDENT. JUST 2 WEEKS BEFORE THE INCIDENT, IT HAD BEEN SERVICED BY KIA FOR A MANDATORY RECALL OF THE REAR DOOR. LUCKILY NO ONE WAS HURT. ON A SIDE NOTE, IF ALL OTHER DOORS IN MOST OF TODAY'S CARS HAVE A WARNING LIGHT TO INDICATE THEY ARE OPEN, WHY NOT HAVE A SIMILAR LIGHT FOR THE HOOD? THANKS *TR
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10547793October 14, 2013
AIR BAGS
MY AIR BAG DTC LIGHT HAS COME ON. *TR
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10547742October 13, 2013
SUSPENSION, STEERING
AS MY WIFE WAS MAKING A RIGHT-HAND TURN INTO A PARKING LOT AT APPROXIMATELY 5-10 MPH, THE VAN LURCHED LEFT AND SHOOK VIOLENTLY. AFTER CHECKING FOR FLAT TIRES AND FINDING NONE, SHE ATTEMPTED TO CONTINUE DRIVING BUT THE STEERING WHEEL WAS SHAKING TO MUCH TO DRIVE ANY FURTHER. AFTER HAVING THE VAN TOWED TO THE SERVICE CENTER AND CHECKED OUT, WE WERE TOLD THAT THE LEFT FRONT CONTROL ARM HAD RUSTED THROUGH AND FAILED. I CRINGE AT THE THOUGHT OF WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED AT HIGHWAY SPEED, AS WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAS BEEN ON THE INTERSTATE AT THAT TIME, BUT CHANGED OUR PLANS AT THE LAST MINUTE. THIS VAN HAD ITS ANNUAL NH STATE SAFETY INSPECTION AT THE BEGINNING OF AUGUST AND WAS GIVEN A CLEAN BILL OF HEALTH. THE SHOP THAT DID THE INSPECTION AND THE SHOP THAT IS DOING THE REPAIR BOTH TOLD US THAT UNLESS THEY ACTUALLY SEE A CRACK, THERE IS NO WAY FOR THEM TO TELL IF THE PART IS COMPROMISED OR NOT. AS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN WORKING WITH METAL FOR 30 YEARS, I FIND THIS HARD TO BELIEVE. LASTLY, I HAVE NOTED SIX COMPLAINTS REPORTED HERE FOR THE SAME PROBLEM IN JUST THE LAST SEVEN MONTHS. IT IS MY OPINION THAT IT IS TIME FOR A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION AND RECALL BEFORE THERE IS A SERIOUS OR (HEAVEN FORBID) FATAL ACCIDENT RESULTING FROM A CONTROL ARM FAILURE. *TR
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10547227October 8, 2013
SERVICE BRAKES
FRONT BRAKING SYSTEM PROBLEM - PADS AND ROTOR WEAR OUT QUICKLY. POTENTIAL SAFETY ISSUE AS RECALL WARRANTED. INTERNET SEARCH REVEALS THIS IS PROBLEM WITH SAME MAKE AND MODEL VEHICLE. HERE IS WHAT I CAN CONFIRM BUT ALSO HAVE EMAIL INTO DEALER RELATED TO SAID VEHICLE. 2/27/07 - BRAKES GRINDING (15957) NOTHING DONE (DEALER) 6/18/07 - BRAKES PULSATING (21,764) (ROTORS TURNED) (DEALER) 9/7/07 - BRAKES SQUEAKING (25365) NOTHING DONE (DEALER) 7/24/08 - MILEAGE 38,853 - NEW PADS AND ROTORS (DEALER) 4/21/09 - BRAKES CHECKED - GRINDING (48,935) NOTHING DONE (DEALER) 5/21/09 - BRAKES SQUEAKING (50,032) - PAD KIT INSTALLED (DEALER) 10/20/09 - MILEAGE 56,015 - NEW FRONT PADS AND ROTORS RESURFACED (DEALER) 17162 MILES SINCE LAST CHANGE 2/4/10 - MILEAGE AROUND 62,000 - REAR PADS AND ROTORS (ALIGNMENT SPECIALIST INC) 12/8/10 - MILEAGE 68,423 - FULL FRONT PADS AND ROTORS (COUNTRY CLUB TIRE) 12408 MILES SINCE LAST CHANGE 1/4/11 - MILEAGE 69082 - REPLACED PAD (COUNTRY CLUB TIRE) 10/5/13 - MILEAGE 85401 - FRONT PADS (COUNTRY CLUB TIRE) 16319 MILES SINCE LAST CHANGE BRAKES ON THESE KIA SEDONAS DO NOT LAST (SEE ABOVE) - VEHICLE IS DROVE MOSTLY ON HIGHWAY AS VACATION VEHICLE. DRIVER IS NOT A BRAKE RIDER (ONE FOOT ON BRAKE AT ALL TIMES). THIS IS A SAFETY ISSUE AS WELL AS AN ECONOMIC ISSUE. *TR
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10546293September 30, 2013
ELECTRONIC STABILITY CONTROL (ESC), AIR BAGS
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2006 KIA SEDONA. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE AIR BAG AND ESC WARNING LIGHTS ILLUMINATED. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO THE DEALER FOR DIAGNOSIS. THE TECHNICIAN STATED THAT THE COMPUTER IN THE FRONT DRIVER OR PASSENGER'S SIDE SEAT WOULD HAVE TO BE REPLACED. THE TECHNICIAN WAS UNABLE TO GUARANTEE THE REPAIR AFTER REPLACING THE PART. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE VIN WAS NOT AVAILABLE. THE APPROXIMATE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 60,000. *TR
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10545473September 26, 2013
SUSPENSION
PULLING OUT OF A PARKING LOT, A LOUD BANG/THUD NOISE WAS HEARD FOLLOWED BY CAR NOSE DIVING TO LEFT AND STOPPED. REPAIR SHOP INDICATED THE LOWER LEFT CONTROL ARM HAD 'SNAPPED IN HALF' DUE TO BEING FULLY ROTTED VIA RUST. THIS EVENT ALSO PULLED OUT THE LEFT DRIVE SHAFT. FURTHER INSPECTION INDICATED RIGHT LOWER CONTROL ARM WAS IN SAME CONDITION (RUSTED THROUGH) AND NEEDED TO BE REPLACED FOR SAFETY REASONS. THIS IS A MAJOR SAFETY ISSUE AS THIS EVENT HAPPENING AT HIGHWAY SPEEDS MAY LIKELY RESULT IN A ROLL OVER! *JS
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10544204September 18, 2013
ELECTRONIC STABILITY CONTROL (ESC), ELECTRICAL SYSTEM, EXTERIOR LIGHTING
THE BRAKE LIGHTS REMAIN ILLUMINATED WHEN THE BRAKE PEDAL IS RELEASED AND THE ELECTRONIC STABILITY CONTROL (ESC) MALFUNCTION LIGHT IS ON. THE BRAKE LIGHTS REMAINING ON CAUSED THE BATTERY TO DRAIN.
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10543221September 12, 2013
EXTERIOR LIGHTING
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2010 KIA SEDONA EX. THE CONTACT STATED THAT UPON INSPECTION, HE NOTICED THAT THE BRAKE LIGHTS FAILED TO OPERATE INTERMITTENTLY. THE ESC WARNING LIGHT SWITCH ILLUMINATED AND THE VEHICLE WAS STUCK IN PARK. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT TAKEN TO THE DEALER. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOT NOTIFIED OF THE FAILURE. THE APPROXIMATE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 20,000. THE CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 58,158.
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0

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