Chrysler Pacifica Complaints (2007)

380 consumer complaints on file.

#10421201August 23, 2011
ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2007 CHRYSLER PACIFICA. THE CONTACT TOOK THE VEHICLE TO THE DEALER FOR SERVICE AND WAS INFORMED THAT THE MOTOR MOUNTS WERE FAILING AND NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS MADE AWARE OF THE FAILURE. NO REPAIRS WERE PERFORMED. THE CURRENT AND FAILURE MILEAGES WERE 63,000.
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10413552July 19, 2011
STEERING, SUSPENSION:FRONT:CONTROL ARM:LOWER ARM
REAR ENGINE MOUNTS ARE DEFECTIVE IN VEHICLE, THE ENGINE IS SHIFTING WITHIN THE CAR CAUSING IT TO HIT THE TRANSMISSION. ADDITIONALLY, THE CONTROL ARM WITHIN THE CAR IS BROKEN AND LOOSE. THERE WAS A RECALL ON THE 2008 CHRYSLER PACIFICA FOR THE SAME PROBLEM BECAUSE THE DRIVER CAN LOOSE CONTROL OF THE VEHICLE WHILE IN OPERATION. MY 2007 IS CURRENTLY BEING LOOKED AT FOR THIS ISSUE. CAUSE AS STATED BY MECHANIC: INTERNAL FAILURE OF THE STEERING GEAR AND BOTH LOWER CONTROL ARMS BUSHINGS BROKEN AND LOOSE. *KB
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10412511July 9, 2011
ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
IN OCT/07 WE BOUGHT A 07 CHRYSLER PACIFICA & A MAXIMUM CARE DIAMLERCHRYSLER SERVICE CONTRACT FROM DARCARS CHRYSLER OF FAIRFAX. IN FEB/09 DARCARS PERFORMED OIL/FILTER CHANGE SERVICES. IN APR/09 THE PACIFICA BEGAN SMOKING FROM THE EXHAUST AT START UP, RUNNING LOW ON OIL, & MAKING ENGINE NOISE & SPUTTERING DURING OPERATION. IN MAY/09 WE TOLD DARCARS THE PACIFICA WAS SMOKING FROM THE EXHAUST AT START UP, RUNNING LOW ON OIL, & MAKING ENGINE NOISE & SPUTTERING DURING OPERATION. DARCARS SAID THEY WERE UNABLE TO DUPLICATE THE CONCERN, CHANGED THE OIL/FILTER, ROTATED TIRES, & DID A 16 POINT VEHICLE CHECK UP. IN JUN/09 WE TOLD DARCARS THE PACIFICA CONTINUED TO SMOKE FROM THE EXHAUST AT START UP, RUN LOW ON OIL, & MAKE ENGINE NOISE & SPUTTER DURING OPERATION. DARCARS SAID THEY WE UNABLE TO DUPLICATE THE CONCERN & MADE NO REPAIRS. IN SEPT/09 THE PACIFICA SUDDENLY BECAME INOPERABLE WHILE DRIVING 40MPH IN RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC. WE TOWED THE PACIFICA TO DARCARS & TOLD THEM THE PACIFICA CONTINUED TO SMOKE FROM THE EXHAUST AT START UP, RUN LOW ON OIL, MAKE ENGINE NOISE & SPUTTER DURING OPERATION, & SUDDENLY BECAME INOPERABLE WHILE GOING 40MPH IN RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC. IN OCT/09 DARCARS DOCUMENTED SLUDGE IN THE ENGINE, RECOMMENDED A TEAR DOWN FOR FURTHER DIAGNOSIS, & LATER INFORMED US THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS DENIED BY OUR MAXIMUM CARE DIAMLERCHRYSLER SERVICE CONTRACT DUE TO LACK OF PROPER MAINTENANCE. WE TRY TO CONTACT OUR MAXIMUM CARE DIAMLERCHRYSLER SERVICE CONTRACT DECISION MAKER SEEKING CLARIFICATION ABOUT HOW THEY DENY PROTECTION DUE TO LACK OF PROPER MAINTENANCE WITHOUT SEEING THE PACIFICA OR SPEAKING TO THEIR CUSTOMER. WE NEVER GET FURTHER THAN THE INITIAL OPERATOR. THE DEALER FINDS A PROBLEM & OUR MAXIMUM CARE DIAMLERCHRYSLER SERVICE CONTRACT WILL NOT ATTEMPT TO FIND THE CAUSE, THUS, LEAVING US UNPROTECTED. FEELING VICTIMIZED, ABANDONED, & CONFUSED WE SEEK CONCERN RESOLUTION DIRECTION
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10411632July 9, 2011
AIR BAGS
ON JULY 30, 2009, THE AIRBAGS ON MY 2007 PACIFICA DID NOT DEPLOY DURING A MOTOR VEHICLE ACCIDENT. I WAS HIT FROM BEHIND AND MY VEHICLE HIT MULTIPLE TREES BEFORE CRASHING INTO A LARGER ONE, STOPPING MY VEHICLE. MY HEAD HIT AND BROKE THE WINDSHIELD. THE AIRBAGS DID NOT DEPLOY. I SUFFERED SEVERAL INJURIES RELATED TO THE ACCIDENT. *TR
Crash:
Yes
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10408115June 17, 2011
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM, ELECTRONIC STABILITY CONTROL (ESC), ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
THE CAR CONTINUES TO STALL AT LOW SPEEDS. WE HAVE TAKEN TO MECHANIC AND THEY DO NOT FIND ANY SERVICE ALERTS, AND WEREN'T ABLE TO DUPLICATE ON A TEST DRIVE. IT IS STARTING TO PICK UP IN FREQUENCY TO WHERE IT IS DOING IT EVERY OTHER DAY NOW. I ALSO CALLED THE SERVICE GROUP AT THE CHRSYLER DEALER I PURCHASED IT FROM, AND THEY SAID THEY CAN ONLY DO WHAT I HAD ALREADY DONE WITH THE OTHER MECHANIC SHOP. I WENT TO THE CHRYSLER FORUM TO POST AND SEE IF ANYONE ELSE HAD EXPERIENCED THIS, AND SEE NUMEROUS POSTINGS OF THIS ISSUE OVER THE YEARS. I AM VERY CONCERNED WITH THE SAFETY OF MY FAMILY, AS WHEN THE CAR STALLS, IT LOCKS UP AND I LOSE CONTROL. I HAVE TO PULL OVER AND RESTART.
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10402554May 24, 2011
ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2007 CHRYSLER PACIFICA. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE VEHICLE EXHIBITED AN ABNORMAL VIBRATION WHEN SHIFTING FROM REVERSE TO FIRST GEAR. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO AN AUTHORIZED DEALER BUT THE DEALER WAS UNABLE TO DUPLICATE OR DIAGNOSE A FAILURE YET THE FAILURE PERSISTED. THE MECHANIC ADVISED THAT THE MOTOR MOUNT WAS FRACTURED, WHICH CAUSED THE FAILURE. THE CONTACT CALLED THE MANUFACTURER WHO ADVISED THAT THEY WERE UNABLE TO ASSIST. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE CURRENT MILEAGE WAS APPROXIMATELY 69,000 AND THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS APPROXIMATELY 30,000.
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10402375May 23, 2011
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2007 CHRYSLER PACIFICA. THE CONTACT STATED THAT WHEN INSERTING AND TURNING THE KEY IN THE IGNITION, THERE WAS AN ABNORMAL CLICKING AND THE VEHICLE WOULD NOT START. THE CONTACT HAD TO TURN THE KEY, DEPRESS THE BRAKE PEDAL, SHIFT INTO NEUTRAL, AND SHIFT INTO PIN ORDER TO GET THE KEY TO MOVE AND START THE VEHICLE. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO AN AUTHORIZED DEALER WHO REPLACED A COMPUTER MECHANISM AND THE STARTER YET, THE FAILURE PERSISTED. THE CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 68,562 AND THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS APPROXIMATELY 45,000.
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10401112May 16, 2011
POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
TL*THE CONTACT OWNS A 2007 CHRYSLER PACIFICA. WHILE DRIVING AT AN UNKNOWN SPEED, THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE VEHICLE SUDDENLY STALLED WITHOUT WARNING. THE DEALER DID NOT OFFER ANY ASSISTANCE SINCE THE VEHICLE WAS NO LONGER UNDER WARRANTY. THE MANUFACTURER WAS AWARE OF THE ISSUE. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO A PRIVATE MECHANIC WHO REPLACED THE TRANSMISSION. THE CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 40,900 AND THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 40,819.
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10398151April 28, 2011
ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
TL*THE CONTACT OWNS A 2007 CHRYSLER PACIFICA TOURING. WHILE DRIVING VARIOUS SPEEDS, THE CONTACT HEARD A NOISE OUTSIDE OF THE VEHICLE AND CONTINUED TO DRIVE. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO AN INDEPENDENT MECHANIC WHERE THEY DETECTED A FAULTY MOTOR AND TRANSMISSION MOUNT. THE TECHNICIAN STATED THAT THE DEFECT WAS A COMMON OCCURRENCE, AND A SERIOUS SAFETY ISSUE. THREE YEARS AGO, ONE OF THE TWO MOTOR MOUNTS WERE REPLACED. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO AN AUTHORIZED DEALER FOR A SECOND DIAGNOSTIC TEST WHERE THEY STATED THAT THE MOTOR MOUNT WAS DEFECTIVE, ALTHOUGH IT WAS NOT THE ONE PREVIOUSLY REPLACED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOTIFIED AND THE CONTACT WAS WAITING FOR A RESPONSE FROM THE CASE MANAGER REGARDING THE REPAIR. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 35,000. THE VIN WAS UNAVAILABLE.
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10397493April 26, 2011
POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
THE SHIFT STICK/KNOB IS STUCK IN PARK. THE PINK BUTTON WILL NOT UNSTUCK IT. A MECHANIC HELPED AND THE PLASTIC MECHANISM THAT WILL HOLD THE SHIFT TO PARK FOR SAFETY BROKE. I NOW DO NOT HAVE THIS FEATURE WHERE I NEED TO STEP ON THE BRAKE TO RELEASE THE SHIFT. THE PARK SHIFT CAN NOW BE EASILY MOVED WHICH IS DANGEROUS. *TR
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10392997March 27, 2011
ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
I HAVE A 2007 PACIFICA AND HAVE REPLACED 2 MOTOR MOUNTS(FIRST TIME SHORTLY AFTER I PURCHASED IT IN 2007),2 TIRE RODS(2009 &2010),AND RECENTLY 2 STAB LINKS WITHIN A 6 MONTH PERIOD(AUG.2010,MARCH 2011).ALSO MY CAR HAS STALLED TWICE WHEN DRIVING 25-30 MILES PER HOUR.MY CHECK ENGINE LIGHT IS ON DUE TO AN EMISSION LEAK THAT THEY SAY NOW AFTER REPLACING A SENSOR THAT MY GAS TANK HAS A CRACK IN IT.MY RADIATOR HAS A CRACK IN IT AND IS EVAPORATING COOLANT.THIS CAR HAS BEEN THE WORST VEHICLE I HAVE EVER OWNED. *TR
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10386736March 7, 2011
STEERING
2007 CHRYSLER PACIFICA WITH 38,829 MILES NEED TO HAVE BOTH OUTER TIE ROD ENDS REPLACED. MY WIFE AND I ARE THE FIRST OWNERS. I FEEL THAT THE MILES ON VEHICLE ARE TO LOW FOR SUCH DAMAGE AND VERY CLOSE TO THE BASIC COVERAGE OR THE INTENT OF COVERAGE. I WILL BE GETTING IT REPAIRED AT MY LOCAL CHRYSLER DEALERSHIP. *TR
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10388210March 3, 2011
STEERING, UNKNOWN OR OTHER
WHEN TURNING TO THE RIGHT OR THE LEFT I CAN HEAR A RUBBING TYPE NOISE. I TOOK IT INTO THE TWO DIFFERENT DEALERS ON TWO SEPARATE OCCASIONS COMPLAINING OF THE NOISE, BUT THE DEALERS COULD NOT DUPLICATE THE PROBLEM. WHEN I TURN I HEAR A RUBBING NOISE AND NOW WHEN I REVERSE THERE IS A LOUD GRINDING/RUBBING NOISE SIMILAR TO THE NOISE THAT I GET WHEN TURNING. THE NOISE GENERALLY OCCURS FIRST THING IN THE MORNING AFTER I HAVE STARTED MY CAR AND REVERSE IT. IF MY CAR HAS BEEN SITTING FOR A WHILE IT WILL DO THE NOISE THEN TOO! I'M UNSURE WHAT IS CAUSING THE NOISE AND SINCE THE DEALERS CAN'T DUPLICATE IT THEY HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING EITHER. I'M QUITE CONCERNED AS TO WHAT CAN BE CAUSING THESE NOISES AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE LINKED! I NOTICED ANOTHER PACIFICA OWNER HAD THE SAME PROBLEM AS I DID SO NOW I KNOW IT'S NOT JUST MY CAR.
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10387768March 2, 2011
UNKNOWN OR OTHER
PURCHASED THIS CAR USED IN FEBRUARY 2008. SHORTLY THEREAFTER I NOTICED A KNOCK IN THE FRONT WHEN TURNING WHEEL AT LOW SPEEDS (IE, BACKING UP). ALSO FELT SLIGHT VIBRATION ON ACCELERATION. DEALER UNABLE TO FIND ANYTHING UNTIL JUNE 2009. MILES 38733. FRONT TIE ROD WAS BROKEN AND REPLACED BY DEALER. THIS DID NOT RESOLVE THE KNOCK OR THE VIBRATION ON ACCELERATION. KNOCK CONTINUED AND GOT WORSE. AT 61000, THE CAR WAS AGAIN BROUGHT IN FOR THE KNOCKING. AT FIRST LOOK, THE MECHANIC DID NOT SEE A PROBLEM. I EXPLAINED THAT AT EXTREME TURN OF WHEEL AT LOW SPEEDS, THERE IS A DISTINCT KNOCK IN FRONT. AFTER HIS FURTHER INSPECTION, I WAS ADVISED BY SERVICE CENTER THAT THE CAR HAS TWO (2) BROKEN MOTOR MOUNTS AND THIS COULD BE THE SOURCE OF THE KNOCK AND VIBRATION. WAS TAKEN TO DODGE DEALER WHERE PURCHASED TO CONFIRM BROKEN MOTOR MOUNTS. PARTS WERE REPLACED UNDER EXTENDED WARRANTY. STILL DID NOT RESOLVE THE KNOCK.
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10383443February 21, 2011
STRUCTURE:FRAME AND MEMBERS
UPON FAST ACCELERATION OR BRAKING THERE WAS A NOTICEABLE MECHANICAL "CLUNK" AND A SHIFT FORWARD OR BACK IN WEIGHT/MOMENTUM. THIS WAS DUE TO TWO BROKEN/DEFECTIVE MOTOR MOUNTS DISCOVERED DURING THE COURSE OF A 64,000 MILE SERVICE MAINTENANCE CHECK. SHORTLY AFTER DROPPING THE CAR OFF FOR SERVICE ON 2/17/11 I RECEIVED A CALL FORM THE DEALER ALERTING ME TO THE FACT THAT WHEN THE ACCELERATOR IS PRESSED THE ENGINE WOULD RISE TO WITHIN TWO INCHES OF THE INTERIOR OF THE HOOD. THE DEALER REPLACED THE MOUNTS AND SHOWED ME THE BAD PARTS AND EXPLAINED WHY THEY FAIL AND DRAIN THEIR LIQUID FILLER. ALTHOUGH MY CAR IS WELL OUT OF WARRANTY I CONTACTED CHRYSLER TO ASK THEM TO COVER THE COST OF THE REPAIR AND THEY TOLD ME THAT THIS WAS TYPICAL MECHANICAL WEAR AND TEAR ON THE VEHICLE AND IS NOT COVERED IN OR OUT OF WARRANTY. I PERSONALLY VIEW THIS AS DEFECTIVE PARTS AND ENGINEERING. I HAVE OWNED MANY CARS OVER THE YEARS AND HAVE NOT HAD TO REPLACE A MOTOR MOUNT. FURTHER I SIMPLY WENT ON TO THE INTERNET AND GOOGLED "MOTOR MOUNTS 2007 PACIFICA" AND CAME UP WITH MANY, MANY CASES OF THE SAME PROBLEMS WITH PACIFICA'S. I CANNOT SPEAK TO THE ISSUE OF DIRECT SAFETY ISSUES WITH THIS PROBLEM BUT SURELY WITH A MOTOR IMPROPERLY SECURED THE POTENTIAL FOR DANGER IS PARAMOUNT. *TR
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10382758February 15, 2011
POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
TL*THE CONTACT OWNS A 2007 CHRYSLER PACIFICA. WHILE DRIVING APPROXIMATELY 50 MPH, THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FAILED TO SHIFT TO SECOND GEAR WITHOUT WARNING. THE DEALER WAS NOT INFORMED SINCE THE VEHICLE WAS NO LONGER UNDER WARRANTY, NOR DID THE CONTACT INFORM THE MANUFACTURER. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO A PRIVATE MECHANIC WHO PERFORMED A DIAGNOSTIC TEST WHICH CONFIRMED THAT A RELAY SWITCH WAS DAMAGED DUE TO WATER AND WITHOUT IT THE COMPUTER MALFUNCTIONED. THE ENGINE MOUNT ALSO FAILED CAUSING THE TORQUE CONVERTER TO DEPOSIT SHARDS OF METAL INTO THE RUBBER SEAL AROUND THE TORQUE CONVERTER AND AS A RESULT HE NEEDED TO HAVE THE TRANSMISSION REBUILT. THE PRIVATE MECHANIC WAS PERFORMING THE REPAIRS. THE CURRENT AND FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 86,000. UPDATED 3/28/11 *CN UPDATED 04/29/11
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10380987February 7, 2011
ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
TL*THE CONTACT OWNS A 2007 CHRYSLER PACIFICA. THE CONTACT STATED THAT WHILE DRIVING APPROXIMATELY 25-30 MPH, THE VEHICLE WOULD SUDDENLY STALL AND THERE WOULD BE A LOSS OF STEERING AND BRAKES. THE CONTACT WAS ABLE TO RESTART THE VEHICLE. THE CHECK ENGINE AND OIL WARNING LIGHTS ILLUMINATED ON THE INSTRUMENTAL PANEL PRIOR TO AND AFTER THE STALL. THE VEHICLE WAS INSPECTED BY A DEALER AND THEY COULD NOT DUPLICATE THE FAILURE. THEY STATED THAT THEY FOUND A BURNT WIRE IN THE ENGINE WHICH MAY HAVE CAUSED THE FAILURE. THE VEHICLE WAS REPAIRED. THE FAILURE STILL OCCURRED ON AN INTERMITTENT BASIS SINCE THE REPAIR. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS APPROXIMATELY 59,000. THE VIN WAS UNAVAILABLE.
Crash:
No
Fire:
Yes
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10380014February 2, 2011
STEERING, SUSPENSION
THERE IS A NOISE COMING FROM SUSPENSION OR STEERING. IT OCCURS WHEN BACKING OUT AND TURNING. TWO LOUD CLUNKS. ONE WHEN BACKING UP AND TURNING, ONE WHEN STRAIGHTENING UP THE WHEELS. ALSO, WHEN TURNING WHILE DRIVING, MANY TIMES THERE IS A NOISE COMING FROM STEERING - FEELS LIKE A SHORT GRIND RESONATING INTO THE STEERING WHEEL. AT FIRST I THOUGH IT WAS A TIRE HITTING ON SOMETHING ON THE CAR. I'VE BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS SINCE THE CAR WAS NEW ( 2007 CHRYSLER PACIFICA). NOT UNTIL LAST YEAR, DID DEALER TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY AND TOOK A LOOK AT IT. CAR WAS IN FOR A TOTAL OF THREE OR FOUR TIMES. ONCE FOR AS LONG AS THREE WEEKS. I AM BEING TOLD THE CROSS MEMBER WAS REPLACED. UNFORTUNATELY, THE CAR IS STILL MAKING THE SAME NOISES AND I AM AFRAID IT IS A SAFETY ISSUE. DEALER SAYS THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE CAR. I THINK IT IS A BIG SAFETY ISSUE. SURE FEELS LIKE SOMETHING ISN'T RIGHT. *TR
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10371904December 21, 2010
ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
SHORTLY AFTER PURCHASING THIS VEHICLE FROM THE DEALER IN OCTOBER 2008, I NOTICED THAT THE CAR SEEMED TO LURCH WHEN I STEPPED ON THE GAS FROM A FULL STOP. I BROUGHT IT BACK TO THE DEALER ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, BUT THEY DID NOT THINK THERE WAS A PROBLEM. IN 2009, THEY WENT OUT OF BUSINESS AND I TOOK THE CAR TO BE INSPECTED BY ANOTHER DEALERSHIP. THEY FOUND THAT TWO ENGINE MOUNTS WERE BROKEN. LUCKILY IT WAS COVERED BY THE WARRANTY. AT MY LAST INSPECTION, IT WAS FOUND THAT MY OTHER TWO MOUNTS HAVE BROKEN. THIS I HAD TO PAY OUT OF MY OWN POCKET, AS THE WARRANTY EXPIRED. I AM WONDERING IF I AM GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP REPLACING THESE EVERY YEAR? ALSO, IS THIS A FIRE HAZARD? IS THIS A HAZARD IN A CAR ACCIDENT? I THINK CHRYSLER NEEDS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS PROBLEM AND COME UP WITH A SOLUTION TO PERMANENTLY FIX THE ENGINE MOUNTS. *TR
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10370680December 14, 2010
ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:ENGINE, STRUCTURE
07 CHRYSLER MOTOR MOUNTS DEFECTIVE. *TR
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0

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