Kia Sorento Complaints (2013)
983 consumer complaints on file.
- #10722697June 1, 2015VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL, ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
TL* THE CONTACT OWNED A 2013 KIA SORENTO. WHILE DRIVING AT 35 MPH, THE INSTRUMENT PANEL LIGHTING ILLUMINATED AND THE VEHICLE STALLED. WHILE DEPRESSING THE BRAKE PEDAL, THE VEHICLE ACCELERATED, CRASHED INTO A CONCRETE WALL, AND FLIPPED OVER. AS A RESULT, THE CONTACT SUSTAINED LACERATIONS AND CONTUSIONS THAT REQUIRED MEDICAL ATTENTION. A POLICE REPORT WAS FILED. THE VEHICLE WAS DESTROYED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS MADE AWARE OF THE FAILURE. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 30,000.
- Crash:
- Yes
- Fire:
- No
- Injuries:
- 1
- Deaths:
- 0
- #10717664May 21, 2015AIR BAGS
DRIVER AIR BAG DID NOT DEPLOY RIGHT SOME THING TORE THRU RIGHT SIDE CAUSING 2ED BURNS ON RIGHT REST AND CUT ON RIGHT FOREARM
- Crash:
- Yes
- Fire:
- No
- Injuries:
- 1
- Deaths:
- 0
- #10717804May 21, 2015VISIBILITY/WIPER, UNKNOWN OR OTHER
THE DASHBOARD REFLECTS ONTO THE WINDSHIELD REDUCING VISIBILTY AS THE REFLECTIONS CAUSE DISTORTED VISION THRU THE WINDSHIELD. THIS IS EXTREMELY HAZARDOUS ON SUNNY DAYS AS THE REFLECTIONS INCREASE DEPENDING ON THE ANGLE OF THE SUN REFLECTING OFF THE SHINY DASHBOARD ONTO THE WINDSHIELD. MAYBE THE DASHBOARD SHOULD NOT BE COATED WITH SUCH A REFLECTIVE AND SHINY MATERIAL TO AVOID THIS ISSUE. IN ADDITION, THE SPEED PANEL HAS DETAILED METALLIC PAINT AROUND THE SPEEDOMETER AND PANEL INFO WHICH REFLECTS BEAMS OF BLINDING LIGHT FROM THE SUN AND BRIGHT LIGHTS INTO THE DRIVERS FACE WHILE DRIVING. AGAIN, MAYBE THE METALLIC PAINT AND SHINY REFLECTIVE DESIGN SHOULD BE CHANGED TO NON-REFLECTIVE OPTIONS TO AVOID BLINDING THE DRIVER. ANNOYING FEATURES WHICH CAUSE THE DRIVER TO ADJUST POSITION WHILE DRIVING OR TRY TO BLOCK THE BLINDING LIGHTS AND VISUAL DISTRACTIONS WHILE IN MOTION ARE DANGEROUS AND COULD LEAD TO ACCIDENTS. KIA PLEASE CONSIDER REDESIGNING THESE DANGEROUS DESIGN DETAILS AND INCREASE THE SAFETY FOR EVERYONE. IF CHANGES ARE NOT MADE ON NEWER MODELS, I WILL NEVER AGAIN PURCHASE ANY KIA PRODUCTS AND WILL WARN OTHERS OF THESE DANGERS ON THIS VEHICLE BRAND. SAFETY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN DESIGN SO PLEASE REMOVE THE METALLIC PAINT FROM THE SPEEDOMETER PANEL AND FIND A NON-REFLECTIVE MATERIAL TO COVER THE DASHBOARD. THANK YOU.
- Crash:
- No
- Fire:
- No
- Injuries:
- 0
- Deaths:
- 0
- #10693352March 10, 2015AIR BAGS, SEAT BELTS
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2013 KIA SORENTO. WHILE TURNING INTO A PARKING LOT DURING INCLEMENT WEATHER CONDITIONS, THE CONTACT LOST CONTROL OF THE VEHICLE AND CRASHED INTO A METAL POLE. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE DRIVER SIDE SEAT BELT FAILED TO RETRACT. THE CONTACT SUSTAINED A CRACKED STERNUM, NECK AND BACK PAINS THAT REQUIRED MEDICAL ATTENTION. THE PASSENGER SUSTAINED A BACK INJURY THAT REQUIRED MEDICAL ATTENTION. THE CONTACT ALSO STATED THAT FOUR ADDITIONAL PASSENGERS SUSTAINED MINOR ABRASIONS THAT DID NOT REQUIRE MEDICAL ATTENTION. A POLICE REPORT WAS FILED. THE VEHICLE WAS TOWED TO AN IMPOUND LOT. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT DIAGNOSED OR REPAIRED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOTIFIED OF THE FAILURE. THE VIN WAS UNAVAILABLE. THE APPROXIMATE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 48,000. UPDATED 09/01/2015*LJ MA 09/03/15 UPDATED 12/7/2015 *JS
- Crash:
- Yes
- Fire:
- No
- Injuries:
- 6
- Deaths:
- 0
- #10682711February 11, 2015TIRES, WHEELS
ALL 4 TIRES (KUMHO SOLUS KL21 P235/65R17 103T M+S) ON MY 2103 KIA SORENTO ARE SHOWING SIGNS OF CRACKING IN THE SIDEWALL. THE TREAD DEPTH ON THE TIRES IS STILL GOOD. THE CRACKING IS VERY CONCERNING. *TR
- Crash:
- No
- Fire:
- No
- Injuries:
- 0
- Deaths:
- 0
- #10671285January 9, 2015ENGINE, EXTERIOR LIGHTING
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2013 KIA SORENTO. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE INTERIOR LIGHTS FAILED TO TURN OFF. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO THE DEALER WHERE THE TECHNICIAN STATED THAT THE VEHICLE WAS OPERATING AS DESIGNED. THE FAILURE RECURRED AND THE DEALER DIAGNOSED THAT THE SOFTWARE NEEDED TO BE UPDATED. ADDITIONALLY, THE VEHICLE FAILED TO START WITHOUT WARNING. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO THE DEALER. THE BATTERY WAS REPLACED HOWEVER, THE FAILURE RECURRED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOTIFIED OF THE FAILURE. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 12,000.
- Crash:
- No
- Fire:
- No
- Injuries:
- 0
- Deaths:
- 0
- #10669382December 31, 2014VISIBILITY:SUN/MOON ROOF ASSEMBLY
SUN ROOF IS ACTUALLY BUCKLING. WITH THE INFORMATION LISTED ABOUT THE SUNROOF RECALL WE ARE NERVOUS THIS MIGHT IMPACT THIS. I AM 7 MONTHS PREGNANT AND AFRAID TO DRIVE MY CAR. *JS
- Crash:
- No
- Fire:
- No
- Injuries:
- 0
- Deaths:
- 0
- #10668431December 27, 2014POWER TRAIN, ELECTRICAL SYSTEM, ELECTRONIC STABILITY CONTROL (ESC)
WHILE DRIVING AT HIGHWAY SPEED MY WIFE WITH 7 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER IN CAR HAD ALL THE DASH LIGHTS AND INTERIOR LIGHTS ILLUMINATE AND THE CAR BECAME SLUGGISH AND WAS HARD TO DRIVE. I ADVISED HE VIA MOBILE PHONE TO IMMEDIATELY PULL OVER AND TURN THE CAR OFF. I TOLD HE TO WAIT A MINUTE AND TRY TO RESTART IT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. ALL DASH LIGHTS LIT UP AGAIN AND THE CAR MADE A CLICK, CLICK, CLICK SOUND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. SHE TRIED THIS 5 TIMES AND SHE HAD THE CAR TOWED TO THE DEALER. THE DEALER REPLACED THE ALTERNATOR FOR $946.14 ON 12/23/2014 AT DULLES KIA IN LEESBURG, VA. *TR
- Crash:
- No
- Fire:
- No
- Injuries:
- 0
- Deaths:
- 0
- #10668209December 24, 2014ENGINE
PURCHASED 2013 KIA SORENTO BRAND NEW ON 6/11/12, CAR WAS SHAKY AND IDLED ROUGHLY ON & OFF DURING THE FIRST YEAR, SEEMS TO HAVE RESOLVED ITSELF. ON 12/22/14 WHILE DRIVING 35 MPH ON SECONDARY ROAD ENGINE BEGAN TO MAKE A TICKING SOUND. PARKED VEHICLE AND HAD IT TOWED THE FOLLOWING DAY ON 12/23/14 TO KIA DEALERSHIP, THEY CALLED ME THAT AFTERNOON AND TOLD ME IT WAS THE OIL CONTROL VALVE AND IT WAS ORDERED AND REQUESTED FOR OVERNIGHT AND CAR WOULD BE DONE ON 12/24/14. I CALLED DEALER ON 12/24/14 @ 11:03AM AND PART WASN'T IN YET WAS TOLD THAT I'D BE CALLED WHEN PART ARRIVED. RECEIVED CALL FROM DEALER AT 2PM THAT PART HAD ARRIVED AND BEEN INSTALLED BY TECH BUT THAT ENGINE WAS STILL MAKING TICKING NOISE, SO NOT FIXED. WAS TOLD THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO START OVER AGAIN ON FRIDAY 12/26/14 WITH REQUEST TO KIA WARRANTY SERVICE FOR APPROVAL FOR "ENGINE TEAR DOWN", WHICH I WILL ALSO HAVE TO AUTHORIZED AND AGREE TO PAY $400.00 FOR (WAIVED IF ALL REPAIRS ARE COVERED BY WARRANTY). THIS VEHICLE ONLY HAS 53000 MILES ON IT AND HAS BEEN DRIVEN FOR 30 MONTHS, ALL REGULAR MAINTENANCE SCHEDULES FOLLOWED AND THERE SHOULD NO WAY BE AN INTERNAL ENGINE PROBLEM ON A PROPERLY BUILT ENGINE. KIA HAS SOME SERIOUS ISSUES WITH THE ENGINE IN THIS CAR AND SHOULD HAVE RECALLED THE ENTIRE LINE OF 2013 SORENTO'S AND CORRECTED THE PROBLEM. I WAS TOLD BY THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT AT THE DEALER THAT " WE MAY BE LOOKING AT A NEW ENGINE". I HOPE NOT, EVEN THOUGH I COULD HAVE A ALMOST 3 YEAR OLD CAR WITH NO MILEAGE I DON'T WANT ONE, IF THE FIRST ENGINE HAS THIS SERIOUS PROBLEM WHAT WOULD THE SECOND ENGINE HAVE. I AM GOING TO DO EVERYTHING IN MY POWER TO HOLD KIA RESPONSIBLE AND MAKE THEM COVER UNDER WARRANTY. *TR
- Crash:
- No
- Fire:
- No
- Injuries:
- 0
- Deaths:
- 0
- #10663030December 9, 2014POWER TRAIN
I BOUGHT THIS CAR BRAND NEW 2.5 YEARS AGO AND FOR ABOUT A YEAR OR MORE NOW I HAVE HAD AT LEAST 50 INCIDENCES OF MY CAR STALLING MOSTLY WHEN AT A STOP (EITHER STOP LIGHT OR STOP SIGN) BUT NOW IT'S EVEN STALLING WHEN I DECELERATE TO MAKE TURNS. THIS IS SO DANGEROUS AND I'M LUCKY I HAVEN'T BEEN IN AN ACCIDENT YET BECAUSE OF THE CAR STALLING OUT WHILE DRIVING. THE CAR FLIPS INTO "LIMP MODE" AND I'M UNABLE TO ACCELERATE. I'VE HAD MY CAR CHECKED OUT AT THE KIA DEALERSHIP/SERVICE CENTER MANY, MANY TIMES AND THEY SAY THEY DID SOME TYPE OF SYSTEMS LOGIC UPDATE AND THE CAR SHOULD BE OK, BUT SOMETIMES THE DAY OF OR DAY AFTER GETTING THE UPDATE, MY CAR WILL STALL AGAIN. THE SERVICE GUYS ALSO SAY THEY DON'T SEE ANY MESSAGE ON MY CAR COMPUTER SYSTEM THAT ANY STALLING HAS OCCURRED. WHEN THIS HAPPENS, THE CHECK ENGINE LIGHT INTERMITTENTLY COMES ON. *TR
- Crash:
- No
- Fire:
- No
- Injuries:
- 0
- Deaths:
- 0
- #10658621November 17, 2014POWER TRAIN
WHEN LEAVING A STOP SIGN VEHICLE WENT TO IDLE AND WOULD NOT RESPOND TO GAS PEDDLE. AFTER SHUTTING OFF AND RESTARTING ENGINE LIGHT WAS ON AND CAR DROVE OK. TOOK CAR FOR SERVICE AND WAS TOLD THIS IS A COMMON PROBLEM. THEY DID A SOFTWARE UPDATE AND CLEANED MOTOR THAT CONTROLS THE THROTTLE. (THIS IS A "FLY BY WIRE" SYSTEM.) *TR
- Crash:
- No
- Fire:
- No
- Injuries:
- 0
- Deaths:
- 0
- #10652000November 3, 2014ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
THIS "GLITCH" HAPPENED TWICE IN ONE WEEK. FIRST, DRIVING OFF FROM A STOP LIGHT AT ABOUT 15-20 MPH THE CAR SEEMED TO BRAKE ITSELF FOR ABOUT A SECOND, LUNGED ME FORWARD AND 30 SECONDS LATER DIED. NO CHECK ENGINE LIGHT. CAR RESTARTED FINE AFTER 3RD TRY. THEN AGAIN I HAD LET GO OF THE ACCELERATOR AND WAS CRUISING BEFORE BRAKING AT A LIGHT, THE CAR DID THE SAME THING AT ABOUT 25-30 MPH BUT HARDER AND A LOUD CLUNK CAME FROM IT. EVEN THE TIRES SCREECHED WHEN IT "BRAKED" ITSELF FOR A SECOND. THIS SECOND TIME THE CAR DIED 2 SECONDS LATER WHEN I APPLIED THE BRAKES. TOOK IT STRAIGHT TO THE DEALER, THE CAR DIED AGAIN IN FRONT OF THEM WHEN THEY SWITCHED ON THE A/C TO CHECK IF IT WAS WORKING (COULD BE COINCIDENCE SINCE I WASN'T FOOLING AROUND WITH THE A/C THE FIRST TWO TIMES). THEY CALLED ME BACK ON SECOND DAY AND ASKED ME TO TAKE MY CAR BACK SINCE THEY COULD NOT REPLICATE THE PROBLEM AND THE COMPUTER HADN'T REGISTERED IT. I'VE USED IT EXCLUSIVELY ON HIGHWAYS FOR 2 DAYS NOW AND NO PROBLEM. I'VE DONE LESS THAN 10 MILES OF CITY DRIVING SINCE I GOT MY CAR BACK. I'VE HEARD OF OTHER PEOPLE GETTING AN UPGRADE FOR THE ECU AND SOLVING THE ISSUE, BUT THAT UPGRADE WAS ALREADY APPLIED OVER A YEAR AGO TO MINE AND ACCORDING TO THE DEALER, THERE IS NO NEWER VERSION. *TR
- Crash:
- No
- Fire:
- No
- Injuries:
- 0
- Deaths:
- 0
- #10651462October 30, 2014VISIBILITY:SUN/MOON ROOF ASSEMBLY
I WAS TRAVELING ON I-20 AT ABOUT 70 MPH WHEN I HEARD AN EXPLOSION (FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD) AND GLASS STARTED FLYING OF THE ROOF OF MY SORENTO. I WAS ABLE TO SAFELY NAVIGATE TO THE RIGHT LANE AND THEN TO THE SHOULDER OF THE INTERSTATE AND REALIZED THAT MY SUNROOF HAD SHATTERED. I WAS LUCKY THAT THE INNER PANEL WAS CLOSED AND ONLY A SMALL AMOUNT OF GLASS CAME THROUGH. UNTIL THEN (AND I HAVE BEEN DRIVING FOR 40 YEARS), I HAD NEVER HEARD OF A SUNROOF SHATTERING UNLESS THE VEHICLE WAS IN SOME KIND OF ACCIDENT. *TR
- Crash:
- No
- Fire:
- No
- Injuries:
- 0
- Deaths:
- 0
- #10649161October 29, 2014VISIBILITY:SUN/MOON ROOF ASSEMBLY
2013 KIA SORENTO. CONSUMER WRITES IN REGARDS TO SUNROOF SHATTERED INTO A MILLION LITTLE PIECES. *SMD
- Crash:
- No
- Fire:
- No
- Injuries:
- 0
- Deaths:
- 0
- #10648644October 19, 2014POWER TRAIN
THIS HAS NOW HAPPENED ABOUT TEN TIMES AND SEEMS TO BE A VERY SERIOUS FLAW IN THE TRANSMISSION AND/OR POWERTRAIN. I'LL BE IN PARK AND SHIFT THE CAR INTO REVERSE OR DRIVE AND WHEN I LET UP ON THE BRAKE TO IDLE AND PROCEED SLOWLY THERE IS A LOUD BANG/CLUNK (ALMOST AS IF SOMETHING INTERNAL OR EXTERNAL IS SLAMMING THE CAR WITH A RAMMING ROD) AND THE CAR LURCHES UNTIL I BRAKE. THIS IS VERY WORRISOME AS I FEEL THAT IT CAN INJURY PEDESTRIANS NEARBY OR EVEN THE OCCUPANTS OF THE VEHICLE IF THE CAR LOSES CONTROL. ALSO, I DON'T THINK THIS CAN BE GOOD FOR THE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION OR POWERTRAIN. SINCE THIS HAPPENS SPORADICALLY, THE DEALERS SAY THEY CANNOT REPRODUCE IT AND DENY A PROBLEM. PLEASE ADVISE AS TO WHAT RECOURSE I MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU. *TR
- Crash:
- No
- Fire:
- No
- Injuries:
- 0
- Deaths:
- 0
- #10648337October 17, 2014SERVICE BRAKES, STEERING, ENGINE
ENGINE SIMPLY STOPPED WHILE DRIVING RESULTING IN LOSS OF BRAKING AND STEERING CONTROL. ALL INDICATOR LIGHTS ON DASHBOARD CAME ON WHEN THE ENGINE SHUT OFF. COASTED TO A STOP, PUT TRANSMISSION IN PARK AND WAS ABLE TO RESTART THE ENGINE. TOOK THE CAR TO KIA DEALER WHO SAID IT NEEDED A SOFTWARE UPDATE WHICH WAS PERFORMED. THE SAME PROBLEM OF THE ENGINE SHUTTING OFF HAPPENED THE VERY NEXT DAY. TAKING THE CAR BACK TO THE DEALER TODAY. *TR
- Crash:
- No
- Fire:
- No
- Injuries:
- 0
- Deaths:
- 0
- #10648356October 17, 2014ELECTRICAL SYSTEM, ENGINE
TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2013 KIA SORENTO. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE VEHICLE STALLED AND THE CHECK ENGINE SENSOR ILLUMINATED INTERMITTENTLY. THE CONTACT MENTIONED THAT THE FAILURE OCCURRED SEVERAL TIMES. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO AN AUTHORIZED DEALER. THE TECHNICIAN DIAGNOSED THAT THE COMPUTER SOFTWARE NEEDED TO BE UPDATED. THE SOFTWARE WAS UPDATED, BUT THE FAILURE PERSISTED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOTIFIED OF THE FAILURE. THE APPROXIMATE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 15,000.
- Crash:
- No
- Fire:
- No
- Injuries:
- 0
- Deaths:
- 0
- #10648278October 16, 2014ENGINE
2013 KIA SORENTO LX LOSS OF ACCELERATOR CONTROL. I HAD JUST EXITED A 55MPH BOULEVARD ONTO A 35MPH RESIDENTIAL STREET. AS I ACCELERATED TO THE POSTED SPEED THERE WAS A ?POP?, THE CAR LURCHED, AND THE ENGINE LIGHT CAME ON. THE ENGINE WAS STILL RUNNING BUT THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM PRESSING THE ACCELERATOR PEDAL. I CUT OFF THE ENGINE, WAITED A MINUTE AND RESTARTED IT. THE ENGINE, TRANSMISSION AND ELECTRICAL ALL SEEMED TO BE FINE BUT THE ACCELERATOR WAS NON-RESPONSIVE. SURPRISINGLY THE ENGINE IDLE SPEED WAS SUFFICIENT TO PUSH THE CAR ALONG ON MODERATELY HILLY ROADS. I MANAGED TO GET THE CAR TO THE KIA DEALER, WHERE I PURCHASED IT, AND LEFT IT WITH THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT. AFTER I GOT HOME I DID A GOOGLE SEARCH FOR ?KIA SORENTO ACCELERATION? AND FOUND MULTIPLE REPORTS OF ACCELERATOR PROBLEMS WITH 2012 THROUGH 2014 KIA SORENTOS. HTTP://WWW.KIA-FORUMS.COM/2011-2013-XM-SORENTO-FORUM/76454-2012-SORENTO-DISCONNECTED-ACCELERATOR.HTML HTTP://WWW.CARCOMPLAINTS.COM/KIA/SORENTO/2013/ENGINE/DIED_WHILE_DRIVING.SHTML AFTER REVIEWING THE VARIOUS POSTS I BELIEVE THAT THE COMPUTER SOFTWARE UPGRADE THAT THE SERVICE DEPARTMENTS ARE LOADING ARE NOT GOING TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE, OTHERWISE KIA WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN HAVING THIS ISSUE FOR SEVERAL YEARS. I BELIEVE THE ACTUAL ISSUE IS A FAULTY PART THAT HAS NOT BEEN REPLACED OR REDESIGNED. IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN I WILL HAVE THIS ISSUE AGAIN SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE. THE TECH REPORTED THAT THEY FOUND 3 SERVICE CODES. THEY CLEARED THE CODES, CHECKED THE COMPUTER SOFTWARE AND "FOUND OLD VERSION". THEY REPORTED THAT THEY UPDATED THE SOFTWARE AND PERFORMED A THROTTLE CLEANING. THEY TEST DROVE THE CAR TWICE AND THE ENGINE LIGHT DID NOT TURN BACK ON (NO CODES). *TR
- Crash:
- No
- Fire:
- No
- Injuries:
- 0
- Deaths:
- 0
- #10639198September 26, 2014FUEL/PROPULSION SYSTEM, ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
ENGINE WENT TO IDLE AT A TRAFFIC LIGHT AND WOULD NOT RESPOND WHEN LIGHT CHANGED TO GREEN, CHECK ENGINE LIGHT CAME ON. I IDLED TO THE SIDE OF THE ROAD , SHUT OFF ENGINE AND RESTARTED IT. IT SEEMED TO BE OK BUT CHECK ENGINE LIGHT WAS STILL ON. CHECK ENGINE LIGHT WENT OUT THE NEXT DAY . I TOOK IT TO DEALER FOR REPAIRS ( A WEEK LATER WAS THE SOONEST THEY COULD GET ME IN) THEY DID AN SOFTWARE UPDATE AND CLEANED THE ETC MOTOR PER "TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN #133 REV. 11/27/2013" I'M KEEPING MY FINGERS CROSSED THAT THIS FIXED THE PROBLEM. *TR
- Crash:
- No
- Fire:
- No
- Injuries:
- 0
- Deaths:
- 0
- #10637536September 19, 2014ENGINE, STEERING, STRUCTURE:BODY
MY AIRBAGS DIDN'T DEPLOY WHEN I HIT A PERSON IN THE REAR AFTER SEVERELY DAMAGED FRONT END OF MY VEHICLE AND PARTS BEING SHOVED INTO THE MOTOR AND THE MOTOR RECEIVED A CRACK IN THE BLOCK. *TR
- Crash:
- Yes
- Fire:
- No
- Injuries:
- 1
- Deaths:
- 0