Dodge Ram Complaints (2004)

1,953 consumer complaints on file.

#10129892July 25, 2005
STEERING, SUSPENSION:FRONT
VEHICLE IS IN FOR A THIRD TIME FOR SAME VIOLENT SHAKING AT 65MPH AS REPORTED TO THIS SITE BEFORE. THIS VEHICLE IS BOUND FOR A FATAL HEAD-ON! I HAVE FOUND NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS OF THE SAME PROBLEM NATIONWIDE ON THE INTERNET. DODGE BOUGHT BACK 32 VEHICLES FROM THE STATE OF MAINE FOR THE SAME REASON. IS ANYONE AT THE NHTSA LOOKING INTO THIS? I HAVE VIDEO OF THE PROBLEM SHOWING A VIOLENT HIGH SPEED WOBBLE AND BOUNCE OF THE FRONT-END. THE VIDEO WAS TAKEN FROM A SECOND VEHICLE AS I TRAVELED AT ABOUT 70 MPH.
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10129900July 25, 2005
POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
DT: WITHOUT WARNING THE VEHICLE CAME OUT OF PARK. THE CONSUMER TOOK IT TO THE DEALER AND THEY SAID THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. 6 MONTHS AGO THE DEALER SAID THEY COULD NOT DUPLICATE THE PROBLEM AND THEY TRIED IT AND THEY COULD GET INTO PARK. THE CONSUMER SAID IT WAS SPORADIC. THE CONSUMER STATED LAST NIGHT(JULY 24, 2005) HE AND HIS WIFE PULLED UP IN FRONT OF HIS GATE AND HE EXITED THE VEHICLE TO OPEN THE GATE AND THE VEHICLE CAME OUT OF PARK WITH HIS WIFE STILL IN IT AND IT RAN INTO A DITCH AND THEN INTO HIS FENCE AND WAS STOPPED BY A TREE. HIS WIFE WAS NOT HURT. THE CONSUMER WILL BE CALLING THE MANUFACTURER AFTER THIS CALL. THIS HAS HAPPENED MORE THAN 18 TIMES. *JB
Crash:
Yes
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10129626July 21, 2005
POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION:LEVER AND LINKAGE:COLUMN SHIFT
DT: ON A COUPLE OF OCCASIONS VEHICLE WAS RUNNING AND IT POPPED INTO REVERSE. SECOND TIME THIS HAPPENED WA SON FEBRUARY 8, 2005, A TRAILER WAS ATTACHED TO VEHICLE. WHILE AT STORE, PACIFIC FEED STORE 554 EAST OSAGE, PACIFIC, MO. 63069 VEHICLE POPPED INTO REVERSE. TRAILER JACKKNIFED AND CAUSED DAMAGE TO THE SIDE OF THE VEHICLE ABOVE THE REAR PASSENGER SIDE WHEEL AND TAILGATE. NO POLICE REPORT ON INCIDENT BECAUSE NO OTHER VEHICLES WERE INVOLVED. DEALER TOLD CONSUMER TO HAVE TRUCK SERVICED, CONSUMER DONE SO IMMEDIATELY, THEN CONTACTED MANUFACTURER. DEALER FOUND PROBLEM WITH LINKAGE FOR TRANSMISSION. DEALER REPAIRED PROBLEM. MANUFACTURE RWAS SUPPOSED TO SEND AN INSPECTOR TO INSPECT VEHICLE. WHEN INSPECTOR CALLED CONSUMER TO SCHEDULE AN INSPECTION, CONSUMER GAVE A TIME FOR INSPECTION, THEN INSPECTOR CALLED BACK AND TOLD CONSUMER THAT HE HAD RECEIVED AN E-MAIL FROM MANUFACTURER THAT STATING HE WAS TO DO NOTHING FURTHER WITH CONSUMER'S VEHICLE. MANUFACTURER THEN CONTACTED CONSUMER BY MAIL, STATING THAT SINCE VEHICLE WAS REPAIRED THEY COULD NOT ADEQUATELY ACCESS THE CLAIM, AND BASED ON THIS INFORMATION, THEY WERE DENYING CONSUMER'S CLAIM.*AK
Crash:
Yes
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10129510July 20, 2005
STRUCTURE:FRAME AND MEMBERS, SUSPENSION, STRUCTURE:BODY:TAILGATE, STRUCTURE:BODY:BUMPERS, STRUCTURE:BODY, STRUCTURE:BODY:DOOR:HINGE AND ATTACHMENTS, TIRES:PRESSURE MONITORING AND REGULATING SYSTEMS
DODGE RAM 1500 YEAR 2004 PURCHASED BRAND NEW ON MARCH THE VEHICLE HAD 22 MILES ON IT WHEN THE ACCIDENT OCCURED IT HAD APPROX. 10,000 MILES. PROBLE DEFECTIVE AXLE AND OR RIM. NOTE: PREVIOUS TIRE BLOW OUT RIM TOTALED AND REPAIRED THAT RIM WAS PLACED ON THE TRUCK AND THE TIRES ROTATION AND THAT RIM WENT TO THE LEFT REAR AXLE, TIRE IS LOST.
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
5
Deaths:
0
#10129277July 19, 2005
ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:ENGINE:DIESEL
EXHAUST SMELL FROM FRESH AIR VENTS, MAINLY WHILE IDLING MY 2004 DODGE RAM 3500 4X4 WITH CUMMINS ENGINE. I NOTICED THE SMELL WITHIN DAYS OF PURCHASE, TOOK IT TO SEVERAL DEALERS, AND WAS TOLD THEY HAD NEVER EXPERIENCED THIS PROBLEM BEFORE. END SUGGESTION WAS A CITRUS OIL ADDITIVE TO MAKE THE EXHAUST SMELL LIKE CITRUS. (NO JOKE) FUEL INJECTOR FAILURE, FILLING CRANKCASE WITH DIESEL, CAUSING ROUGH RUNNING AND EVENTUAL OIL PRESSURE LOSS. DEALER, UPON ADVISMENT FROM "TECH DEPARTMENT" CHANGED THE OIL, REPLACED THE FAULTY INJECTOR AND GOT ME OUT THE DOOR. NOW I HAVE EXPERIENCED ENGINE VIBRATIONS THAT ARE GETTING PROGRESSIVLY WORSE, HIGHER ENGINE RPM'S INCREASED FUEL CONSUMTION, A CLOUD OF BLUE SMOKE UPON STARTUP AFTER SEVERAL HOURS OF DOWNTIME, AND THE DEALERSHIP THINKS IT MAY BE A WIRING HARNESS. I SPOKE DIRECTLY TO CUMMINS SERVICE DEPT. AND WAS TOLD THAT WITH OIL PRESSURE LOSS, THEY WOULD HAVE DROPPED THE OIL PAN AND CHECKED THE BEARINGS.
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10129208July 18, 2005
ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:ENGINE
I HAVE AN 04 DODGE RAM 1500 HEMI,WHILE DRIVING THE TRUCK AT ANY GIVEN TIME TRUCK JUST SHUTS DOWN COMPLETELY.I HAVE TAKEN IT BACK TO THE DEALER SEVERAL TIMES AND NOTHING WAS DONE TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.NOW LAST WEEK I WAS DRIVING UP THE STREET THE TRUCK SHUT OFF ONE MORE TIME CAUSING ME TO HIT A GUIDE RAIL.I FEEL THE TRUCK IS VERY UNSAFE TO DRIVE AND PERSONALLY DONT WANT IT ANYMORE.
Crash:
Yes
Fire:
No
Injuries:
1
Deaths:
0
#10129020July 17, 2005
SUSPENSION:FRONT, STEERING
AT LESS THAN 4000 MILES ON MY '04 DODGE RAM 2500 I EXPERIENCED VIOLENT SHAKING IN THE FRONT-END AT ABOUT 70-75 MPH. I HAD TO SLOW TO ABOUT 35 TO RECOVER. THIS OCCURED ON A POOR STRETCH OF INTERSTATE THEREFOR I AVOIDED THIS STRETCH FOR SOMETIME. AT ABOUT 13000 MILES I EXPERIENCED THE SAME PROBLEM AND HAD TO COME TO A COMPLETE STOP TO RECOVER. THIS OCCURED THREE MORE TIMES ON THAT TRIP AND EACH TIME THE ONSET OCCURED AT A SLOWER SPEED. THE SHAKE IS SO VIOLENT THAT THERE IS NO STEERING CONTROL AND SLOWING TO ABRUPTLY ENHANCED THE PROBLEM. I HAVE SEEN SEVERAL SIMILAR COMPLAINTS ON THE INTERNET YET ONLY FIVE REPORTED TO THE NHTSA. THERE ARE CURRENTLY THREE OTHER PICKUPS WITH THE SAME PROBLEMS BEING SERVICED AT THE SAME DEALERSHIP I TOOK MINE TO. I WAS TOLD BY THE MECHANIC THAT THEY HAVEN'T TRACKED THE PROBLEM AND DODGE HAS BEEN OF NO HELP. I CURRENTLY HAVE 600 MILES ON IT SINCE THE REPAIR AND THE PROBLEM IS BACK. THIS PROBLEM WITHOUT A DOUBT WILL CAUSE A FATAL CRASH. I AM CURRENTLY RESTRICTED TO TOWN DRIVING UNTIL THIS PROBLEM IS SOLVED. NOTE: THE DATE NOTED BELOW FOR THE DATE AND MILEAGE OF OCCURENCE IS ONLY AN ESTIMATE.
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10128817July 14, 2005
UNKNOWN OR OTHER
AFTER RANDOM AMOUNTS OF NORMAL DRIVING SPEEDOMETER STARTS BOUNCING AT IDLE FROM 0-5 MPH THEN ABS AND BRAKE WARNING LIGHTS ILLUMINATE AFTER ARIVING AT DEALER I WAS TOLD IT WAS CAUSED BY A LEAKING ABS CONNECTOR THAT WAS "IMPROPERLY DESIGENED" AND ALL THEY COULD DO WAS CLEAN IT OUT AND FILL IT WITH ELECTROMAGNETIC GREASE . I WAS ALSO TOLD (BY MORE THAN ONE DEALER)THAT I WAS NOT THE ONLY ONE WITH THIS PROBLEM AND DAIMLER CHRYSLER HAS BEEN NO HELP OTHER THAN LETTING ME LODGE A COMPLAINT AND SENDING ME A LETTER OF APOLOGY BOTH TIMES HAPPENED UNDER 9,000 MILES AND THANKFULLY HAVE NOT HAPPEND AGAIN (I'M AT ABOUT 15,000 MILES)
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10128627July 13, 2005
POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
DT: THE CONSUMER STATED ON JULY 12,2005 WITHOUT WARNING THE VEHICLE WENT INTO DRIVE FROM PARK ON ITS OWN. THE VEHICLE WAS IDLING WITH NO ONE IN IT AND IT WENT INTO GEAR AND HIT A BARN AND ALMOST RAN OVER THREE PEOPLE. THE DEALER SAID TO MAKE SURE IT WAS IN PARK AND TAKE THE KEYS OUT. *JB
Crash:
Yes
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10129107July 12, 2005
POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION:LEVER AND LINKAGE:COLUMN SHIFT
VEHICLE IS OWNED BY COMPANY AND DRIVEN BY SALES STAFF. THE OPERATOR STOPPED THE VEHICLE ON LEVEL PAVED SURFACE AND SHIFTED TO PARK THEN EXITED THE VEHICLE WITH PARK BRAKE OFF AND THE ENGINE RUNNING. WHEN THE OPERATOR RETURNED 1 TO 2 MINUTES LATER THE VEHICLE HAD MOVED REARWARD ABOUT 40 FEET ACCROSS A PUBLIC ROADWAY. IT STRUCK A LIGHT POLE AND KNOCKED IT OVER. THE REAR BUMPER WAS ALSO DAMAGED. THE VEHICLE WAS FOUND IN REVERSE ('R' ILLUMINATED) AFTER THE INCIDENT.
Crash:
Yes
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10128352July 11, 2005
POWER TRAIN
PIECE OF CRAP, LOSS OF POWER, DRIVE TRAIN DONT HOLD UP TO LOADS THAT IT STATES THAT IT COULD PULL, CLUTCH SLIPS WHEN ACCELERATING VEHICLE.
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10128209July 9, 2005
POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION, POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION:GEAR POSITION INDICATION (PRNDL)
3 TIMES THIS HAS OCCURRED. AFTER PUTTING MY DODGE RAM 2500 DIESEL INTO PARK, LEAVING THE MOTOR RUNNING AND STEPPING OUT OF THE TRUCK, THE TRANSMISSION HAS JUMPED OUT OF PARK AND INTO REVERSE. THE FIRST TIME IT RAN OVER A GATE AND CRUSHED THE DRIVER DOOR. DODGE PAID THE REPAIR BILL. THE SECOND TIME I WAS TESTING THE VEHICLE TO SEE IF IT WOULD DO IT AGAIN. IT DID. THE THIRD TIME MY WIFE WAS ASSISTING ME AT MY FARM AND STEPPED OUT OF THE TRUCK AFTER PUTTING IT IN PARK. WE LOOKED UP AND THE TRUCK WAS TRAVELING BACKWARD AT A FAIRLY FAST PACE. I WAS ABLE TO GET THE DOOR OPEN AND PUT IN PARK, HOWEVER, IT WAS A VERY CLOSE CALL. WE COULD HAVE BOTH BEEN RUN OVER IN ADDITION TO THE PENS THAT WERE JUST A FEW FEET AWAY.
Crash:
Yes
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10129149July 8, 2005
POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
2004 DODGE 2500 GEAR SHIFTED OUT OF PARK AND INTO REVERSE AND THE VEHICLE RAN INTO A PALLET OF TILE.*MR THE TRUCK WAS RUNNING WHEN THIS HAPPENED. THE VEHICLE RIGHT REAR FENDER WAS DAMAGED. *NM
Crash:
Yes
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10127582July 6, 2005
ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
DT: THE CONSUMER STATED THAT THE VEHICLE STALLED UNEXPECTEDLY. THIS HAPPENED WHILE SITTING STILL AND JUST RECENTLY WHILE DRIVING AT A SPEED OF 15 MPH. THERE WAS NO PRIOR WARNING BEFORE STALLING, AND NO DASHBOARD LIGHTS CAME ON TO INDICATE A PROBLEM. NO LIGHTS ON THE DASHBOARD CAME ON AFTER STALLING. THE VEHICLE WILL IMMEDIATELY START RIGHT BACK UP. THIS HAPPENED FOR SIX MONTHS AT LEAST. THE IDLE WAS JUMPING. THE CONSUMER THOUGHT THAT THE IDLING AND STALLING PROBLEMS WERE RELATED. THE VEHICLE HAD IDLE PROBLEMS SINCE JANUARY 21, 2004. THE VEHICLE HAD BEEN TO THE DEALERSHIP THREE TIMES, AND WAS ON THE WAY BACK TO THE DEALERSHIP. THE DEALERSHIP COULD NOT FIND ANY PROBLEM WITH THE TRUCK BECAUSE IT WAS INTERMITTENT. THE MANUFACTURER WAS CONTACTED, AND REFERRED THE CUSTOMER BACK TO THE DEALERSHIP. ALSO, THE MANUFACTURER TOLD THE CONSUMER THAT THIS PROBLEM BELONGED TO THE DEALER. *AK (11/08/05) *SC
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10127192June 30, 2005
POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
I HAVE A 2004 DODGE RAM 1500 5.7 HEMI. WE PURCHASED THE TRUCK ON APRIL 20, 2004 & STARTED HAVING THE STALLING PROBLEM ABOUT 2 MONTHS AGO. I HAVE SINCE TAKEN THE TRUCK TO THE DEALERSHIP WHERE IT WAS PURCHASED 3 TIMES TO HAVE THE PROBLEM FIXED. EACH TIME THE DEALERSHIP HAS THE TRUCK 2 1/2 TO 3 DAYS. THE TRUCK DOES NOT STALL WHILE THE ACCELERATOR IS ENACTED. THE RPM GAUGE WILL FLUTTER WHEN STOPPED & THEN IT WILL DROP & THE TRUCK WILL DIE. SOME DAYS THE TRUCK WILL STALL ONLY ONCE OR TWICE & OTHER DAYS THE TRUCK WILL STALL UP TO 20 TO 30 TIMES. THE DEALERSHIP HAS REPLACED THE FOLLOWING ITEMS: FAULT CODE, P0261, REPLACED PCM FOR ERRACTIC SPEED SENSOR SIGNAL. R&R PAN & REPLACED TRANS FILTER PER STAR 1763 WD94 0.80. 5094274AA MODULE-POWERTRAIN CONTROL, 5015267AC FILTER PKG-POWERTRAIN CONTROL, 5010884AA SEALER, 5 ATF BULK - +4.
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10127102June 30, 2005
SERVICE BRAKES, AIR:DISC:ROTOR
2004 RAM 1500 HEMI SPORT QC HAD TERRIBLE SHIMMY IN FRONT END UPON STOPPING AND TRUCK WAS HARD TO CONTROL. DEALER STATED ROTORS WERE WARPED AND TURNED THEM. THIS WAS AT 9500 MILES. AGAIN AT 15000 MILES TRUCK IS DOING SAME THING. DEALER SAID THEY WOULD TURN THEM AGAIN BUT THAT WAS ALL. SAID THEY COULD TURN THEM AS MANY TIMES AS THEY WANTED. SAID THEY TURNED THEM BUT THE WHEELS HAVEN'T BEEN REMOVED FROM TRUCK. DEALER OR DODGE UNWILLING TO FIX PROBLEM EVEN THOUGH BOTH ADMIT THERE IS A PROBLEM. BACK ROTOR IS WARPED AND HAS BAD GROVES IN IT. FEEL I AM GETTING BUM DEAL ON 36000 DOLLAR TRUCK.
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10126985June 29, 2005
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
I OWN A 2004 RAM 1500. THIS IS TRUCK NUMBER 2 OF THIS YEAR AND MODEL. I AM EXPERIENCING THE SAME PROBLEMS WITH THIS VEHICLE THAT I WAS WITH THE LAST. 1. THE ROTORS AND BRAKES ARE WEARING PREMATURELY. 2. IT HAS STALLED ON OCCASION USUALLY WHEN DECELERATING TO MAKE A TURN. 3. THE TRANSMISION WILL HIT A "FLAT" SPOT WHEN EXCELERATOR IS DEPRESSED TO THE FLOORBOARD. 4. THE RADIO DOES NOT DISPLAY PROPERLY WHILE OPPERATING. IT PUTS OUT JIBBERISH OF NUMBERS AND LETTERS. I SAY THIS IS TRUCK NUMBER TWO BECAUSE I WENT TO THE DEALER WHERE I BOUGHT THE TRUCK AND COMPLAINED OF THE SAME EXCACT PROBLEMS SEVERAL TIMES ON TRUCK ONE. THEY WERE LESS THAN HELPFULL BLAMING EVERYTHING OTHER THAN THE TRUTH. I TRADDED THE FIRST TRUCK IN AND SITED MY PROBLEMS WITH THE VEHICLE. THEY THEN STATED THAT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A BAD BATCH. THEY PAID OFF THE FIRST TRUCK AND I BOUGHT THE SECOND ONE. NOW I REGRET THAT DECISION. I SHOULD HAVE GONE WITH MY INSTINCTS AND CONTACTED MY LAWYER. BECAUSE IT IS STILL THE SAME PROBLEMS IN A DIFFERENT TRUCK. THAT IS NOT A LEMMON ITS A POORLY BUILT TRUCK FETCHING TOP DOLLAR FOR THEIR COMPANY, WHO WILL DO NOTHING TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM HOPPING WE GO AWAY OR OUT OF WARRENTY!! .
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10127001June 29, 2005
POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
DT: CONTACT STATED HER HUSBAND DROVE A PICKUP FOR BEAVER VALLEY SUPPLY CO. INC. WHILE THE TRUCK WAS IDLING IT JUMPED FROM PARK INTO REVERSE. IT JUST SHOOK TERRIBLY. WHILE CONTACT'S HUSBAND WAS DRIVING HE PARKED THE VEHICLE, LEFT IT IDLING, AND LEFT HIS WIFE IN THE TRUCK. THE TRUCK JUMPED INTO REVERSE WHILE IDLINING, RESULTING IN A CRASH INTO A NEIGHBOR'S FENCE. CONTACT TALKED TO THE DEALER. THEY CHECKED THE TRUCK, AND IT DIDN'T SHOW ANYTHING WAS WRONG WITH IT.*AK
Crash:
Yes
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10124476June 28, 2005
ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING, SUSPENSION
DT: VEHICLE DIES WHILE DRIVING AND HAS NO STOPPING POWER. CONSUMER HAS TAKEN VEHICLE TO SERVICE DEPARTMENT AND IT HAS BEEN FIXED TWICE. THE LAST TIME HE TOOK IT IN THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PUT IT ON THE MACHINE TO CHECK TO SEE IF ANYTHING WAS WRONG. THIS HAPPENED AT LEAST ONCE EVERY WEEK.*AK THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH THE FRONT SUSPENSION MAKING A CLICKING/POPPING NOISE. EVEN THOUGH DEALER COULD NOT GET IT TO DUPLICATE THEY TIGHTENED THE SUSPENSION BOLTS. *TT *NM
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10126710June 27, 2005
TIRES:TREAD/BELT
DT: TIRES LESS THAN TWO YEARS OLD, AND ONE TIRE WAS DEFECTIVE. THAT WAS REPLACED. LAST WEEK TWO TIRES BLEW OUT THAT HAD LESS THAN 6,000 MILES ON THEM. THE TIRES WERE ON THE 5TH WHEEL CAMPER. MISSION TIRES. THEY DID NOT LOOK LIKE THEY WORE OUT, THE TREAD WAS GOOD. THE TIRES COULD NOT HANDLE HEAT AND THE LOAD WHEN THE TIRES BLEW OUT. THE MANUFACTURER WAS MISSION, AND THIS WAS A KEYSTONE CAMPER. THESE WERE THE ORIGINAL TIRES THAT CAME ON THE TRAILER. CONSUMER TALKED TO KEYSTONE TRAILERS, AND THEY WERE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. CONSUMER FELT THAT IF HE SPENDS MORE MONEY AND MOVED UP A DIFFERENT SIZE TIRE THE CAMPER SHOULD BE OKAY. BOTH TIRES DISINTEGRATED AND THERE WAS NOTHING LEFT OF EITHER TIRE. LISTED MANUFACTURER AS UNKNOWN, THESE WERE MADE BY MISSION. THE FIRST ONE WAS ON THE PASSENGER'S SIDE FRONT AXLE, AND THE SECOND ONE WAS ON THE DRIVER'S SIDE REAR AXLE. . THE SPEED WAS 65 MPH WHEN THE BLOW OUT OCCURRED.*AK
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0

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