SAAB 9-5 Complaints

557 consumer complaints on file.

#10155724April 19, 2006
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
MY WIFE WAS DRIVING OUR 2004 SAAB 9-5 WAGON AT OR AROUND 35 MPH WHEN THE CAR, SUDDENLY AND WITHOUT WARNING, LOST ITS ELECTRICAL POWER. SHE WAS UNABLE TO STEER, BRAKE OR CONTROL THE VEHICLE IN ANYWAY. ALL OF THE LIGHTS WERE ILLUMINATED ON THE DRIVER'S PANEL. LUCKILY, THERE WAS NO ON-COMING TRAFFIC OR ANY VEHICLE FOLLOWING BEHIND HER BECAUSE SHE WAS APPROACHING A CURVE IN THE ROAD AT THE TIME THE CAR FAILED. SHE COASTED STRAIGHT AHEAD, THROUGH THE CURVE, TO A STOP. SHE TURNED THE CAR OFF, THEN RESTARTED THE CAR. WE CALLED THE DEALERSHIP THE NEXT DAY, AND RETURNED THE CAR A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER. WE NOTIFIED SAAB USA THAT WE NO LONGER FELT SAFE IN OUR VEHICLE AND HAVE LOST FAITH IN THE LINE AS A WHOLE. THIS INCIDENT WAS NOT THE FIRST ONE. WE EXPERIENCED THIS SAME ELECTRICAL POWER LOSS TWICE PREVIOUSLY IN OUR 2001 SAAB 9-5 WAGON. WE HAD THOUGHT IT WAS A PROBLEM UNIQUE TO OUR SPECIFIC CAR, BUT WE NOW BELIEVE THAT THE SAAB 9-5 WAGON PRESENTS A SERIOUS SAFETY CONCERN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, IN OUR OPINION. WE REGRET THAT WE DID NOT THINK TO REPORT THE PREVIOUS INCIDENTS IN THE 2001 MODEL TO NHTSA. WE DID, HOWEVER, ALERT THE DEALERSHIP, WHO COULD NOT FIND ANY EXPLANATION FOR THE POWER LOSS. WE DECIDED NOT TO KEEP THE 2001 MODEL WHEN OUR LEASE WAS UP, FOR THAT VERY REASON. WE FELT COMFORTABLE DRIVING A NEW 2004 SAAB, BECAUSE SURELY THIS PROBLEM ONLY EXISTED IN OUR ONE CAR, RIGHT? THE "WHAT-IF'S" FOR THESE ELECTRICAL POWER FAILURES ARE SCARY AND UNTHINKABLE. WHAT IF WE HAD BEEN TRAVELING AT HIGHWAY SPEED? WHAT IF THERE WERE PEDESTRIANS IN OUR LINE OF STEERING AT THE TIME? WHAT IF WE WERE TURNING LEFT AT A MAJOR INTERSECTION? WE'VE HAD THIS FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE THREE TIMES IN TWO DIFFERENT MODEL YEARS OF THE SAME CAR. WE WILL NO LONGER BE SAAB CUSTOMERS. SAAB SHOULD RECALL ALL 9-5 WAGONS BEFORE A FATAL ACCIDENT OCCURS AS A RESULT OF THIS POWER FAILURE. *JB
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10155448April 16, 2006
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM, EQUIPMENT:ELECTRICAL
IN MARCH 2006 MY 2000 SAAB 9-5 WAGON BURST INTO FLAMES UNDER THE HOOD AND THE ENTIRE FRONT END OF THE CAR BURNED. THE CAR WAS TOTALED. *NM
Crash:
No
Fire:
Yes
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10155352April 14, 2006
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:IGNITION:MODULE
DT*: THE CONTACT STATED WHILE DRIVING 40 MPH, THE VEHICLE SHUDDERED FOLLOWED BY A LOSS OF ALL POWER. THE WARNING LIGHTS DID NOT ILLUMINATE TO INDICATE A FAILURE. A STRANGE BURNING ODOR WAS PRESENT BUT NO FLAMES OR SMOKE WAS VISIBLE. THE VEHICLE WAS TOWED TO AN INDEPENDENT REPAIR SHOP; THE IGNITION MODULE AND COIL ASSEMBLY WERE REPLACED. THERE IS A NHTSA RECALL, # 05V399000, REGARDING THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM. THE VEHICLE HAD THE SAME PROBLEMS AS INDICATED IN THE RECALL; HOWEVER WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE RECALL DUE TO THE VIN. UPDATED 05/04/06. *JB
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10154896April 9, 2006
SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:ANTILOCK/TRACTION CONTROL/ELECTRONIC LIMITED SLIP:CONTROL UNIT/MODULE
WHILE DRIVING MY 2000 SAAB 9-5 LPT, THE WARNING LIGHTS COME ON AND THE SPEEDOMETER GOES TO ZERO. THE MECHANIC STATES THAT THE ABS COMPUTER HAS FAILED DUE TO A DEFECT IN THE ELECTRONICS. *NM
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10154737April 6, 2006
POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
ABOUT 6 MONTHS AFTER THE SAAB SPECIFY TRANSMISSION FLUID CHANGE, MY 2001 SAAB 95SE WAGON WITH 66,363 MILES HAS DEVELOPED THE BELOW PROBLEM. APPROXIMATELY A MILE TO A MILE AND HALF AFTER DRIVING 20-40 MPH, THE CAR WOULDN'T MOVE FORWARD WHILE THE ENGINE WAS RUNNING FINE. TURNED THE IGNITION OFF FOR 10 MINUTES, RESTARTED THE CAR, MOVED ABOUT 100-200 FEET, THE SAME SYMPTOM HAPPENED AGAIN. THE CAR WAS TOWED TO AN INDY AND THEN TO A DEALER. INDY FOUND CODE P0730 BUT THE DEALER WAS NOT ABLE TO DUPLICATE THE SAME. DEALER CHARGED OVER $100 AND SAID THE CAR WAS FINE AFTER ALLEGEDLY TEST DRIVE "10 MILES". WE PICKED THE CAR. AFTER A MILE OF SLOW DRIVING, THE SAME SYMPTOM DEVELOPED. WITHOUT FINDING OUT WHAT'S THE CAUSE OF THIS PROBLEM NOR HAD THEY OPENED THE TRANSMISSION, THE DEALER CONCLUDED THAT I NEED A NEW TRANSMISSION. SAAB USA WAS INFORMED AND IT WAS SAAB USA DIRECTED ME TO THE DEALER. NOW THEY WANT TO CLOSE THE CASE, WITHOUT ANY ASSISTANCE. *NM
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10155206April 5, 2006
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:IGNITION
2001 SAAB 9-5 RUNS ROUGH THE CONSUMER HAD TO REPLACE THE IDM DUE TO FAILURE. *TS ***NAR*** AFTER THE IDM REPAIRS WERE MADE THE CONSUMER RECEIVED A RECALL NOTICE WHICH REFERENCED THE PROBLEM THE CONSUMER HAD REPAIRED. THE CONSUMER SUBMITTED A CLAIM REQUESTING REIMBURSEMENT. *NM
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10154512April 4, 2006
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:IGNITION:MODULE
DT*: THE CONTACT STATED WHILE DRIVING 70 MPH THE VEHICLE STALLED. IT WAS PULLED OFF TO THE SIDE OF THE ROAD WITHOUT INCIDENT AND TOWED TO THE DEALER. THERE IS A NHTSA RECALL, # 05V399000, REGARDING THE IGNITION MODULE. THE VEHICLE HAS THE SAME PROBLEMS AS INDICATED IN THE RECALL; HOWEVER IT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE RECALL DUE TO THE VIN.
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10154271March 31, 2006
SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:POWER ASSIST:VACUUM, FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE:STORAGE
BRAKES FAILED ON 1999 SAAB 9-5. PROBLEM WAS DUE TO A VACUUM FAILURE IN THE BRAKE SYSTEM. APPARENTLY THE VACUMM PUMPED OIL INTO THE BRAKE BOOSTER THUS CAUSING THE BRAKES TO FAIL. FUEL STORAGE TANK HAS HAD A LEAK IN THE UPPER SEAM WHICH EMITS GAS FUMES WHEN THE TANK IS FILLED. I UNDERSTAND THIS HAS BEEN A PERSISTENT PROBLEM WITH THE SAAB FUEL TANKS. *JB
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10153840March 27, 2006
SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:ANTILOCK/TRACTION CONTROL/ELECTRONIC LIMITED SLIP:CONTROL UNIT/MODULE
WHILE ROUTINE DRIVING THE ABS, CHECK ENGINE LIGHT, BRAKE (INDICATING EMERGENCY BRAKE BEING ENGAGED) AND TCS OFF WILL ILLUMINATE. THE SPEEDOMETER WILL GO TO ZERO. UPON INSPECTION AT THE DEALER, THEIR WORDS, NOT MINE. IS THAT "YOUR ABS CONTROL MODULE IS FRIED". ONCE THIS WAS DIAGNOSED, WE WERE TOLD THAT THE CAR IS SAFE TO DRIVE, IF WE DO NOT NEED ABS OR TRACTION CONTROL (TCS OFF). THE PART IS $2800. NOW UPON DOING SOME RESEARCH, THIS IS A COMMON PROBLEM FOR THE MANUFACTURER OF THE PRODUCT, BOSCH. SUPPOSEDLY THIS HAS OCCURRED QUITE FREQUENTLY ON SAAB'S , MULTIPLE GM AND FORD VEHICLES AS WELL. THE MOST DANGEROUS PART OF THE ISSUE IS THE CAR SOMETIMES AT USUALLY THE WORSE TIMES IT GOES INTO LIMP HOME MODE. *JB
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10153692March 25, 2006
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
I HAVE A 99 9-5 TURBO. OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST WEEK, MY VEHICLE HAS STALLED ON ME THREE TIMES. THE FIRST, I WAS TRAVELING ALONE AT 20 MPH AND THE CAR STALLED WHEN I MADE A LEFT TURN INTO A GAS STATION, LEAVING ME VULNERABLE TO ONGOING TRAFFIC. AN HOUR LATER, I HAD MY CHILDREN IN THE CAR AND WE PROCEEDED TO GET ONTO THE HIGHWAY. THE CAR STALLED AS I WAS GOING INTO HIGHWAY TRAFFIC. THANKS TO THE SKILLFUL MANEUVERING OF THE OTHER DRIVERS, OUR LIVES WERE SPARED. THE OTHER OCCURRED WHEN WE REACHED OUR DESTINATION. THE CAR STALLED AS WE PULLED INTO THE PARKING SPACE. THIS LED TO THE INABILITY TO TURN SUFFICIENTLY AND ALMOST HITTING THE NEIGHBORING CARS. I HAVE READ VARIOUS FORUMS OF FELLOW SAAB OWNERS WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED THESE SAME LIFE THREATENING INCIDENTS. IT SEEMS TO ME AND MANY OTHERS THAT SAAB DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THEIR DEDICATED CONSUMERS. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR HAND OUTS, JUST THE RELIABILITY AND SAFETY ANY ONE SHOULD HAVE FROM A COMPANY THAT "ALLEGEDLY" PRIDES THEMSELVES ON THOSE THINGS. I JUST HOPE THAT THE NEXT TIME I SUBMIT A REPORT IT DOESN'T INCLUDE A DEATH OR DISMEMBERMENT OF MYSELF, CHILD, OR ANOTHER LOVED ONE BECAUSE OF SAAB'S LACK OF INTEGRITY. *JB
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
2
Deaths:
0
#10153156March 20, 2006
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:IGNITION:MODULE
DT*: THE CONTACT STATED ONE YEAR AGO THE CHECK ENGINE LIGHT ILLUMINATED. THE DEALERSHIP DETERMINED THE IGNITION DISCHARGE MODULE NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. THE PART WAS REPLACED AND LATER THE CONTACT DISCOVERED THERE WAS A NHTSA RECALL, # 05V399000, REGARDING THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM: IGNITION: MODULE. THE VEHICLE HAD THE SAME PROBLEMS AS INDICATED IN THE RECALL; HOWEVER WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE RECALL DUE TO THE VIN.
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10152937March 17, 2006
ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING, ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:IGNITION:MODULE
DT*: THE CONTACT STATED WHILE DRIVING 25 MPH THE CHECK ENGINE LIGHT ILLUMINATED, THE VEHICLE LOST POWER AND THE SPEED DROPPED TO 10 MPH. THE CONTACT MANAGED TO GET THE VEHICLE HOME AND ONCE THE ENGINE WAS TURNED OFF, IT WOULD NOT RESTART. THE VEHICLE WAS TOWED THE DEALER, WHERE THE IGNITION CASSETTES AND SPARK PLUGS WERE REPLACED. THE DEALER DETERMINED THE SPARK PLUGS WERE DAMAGED AS A RESULT OF THE IGNITION CASSETTE FAILURE. THERE IS A NHTSA RECALL, #05V399000, REGARDING THE IGNITION MODULE. THE VEHICLE HAS THE SAME PROBLEMS AS INDICATED IN THE RECALL; HOWEVER IT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE RECALL DUE TO THE VIN. THIS HAPPENED ON THE ROAD WHERE THE SPEED LIMIT WAS 30 MPH. IF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED AT ONE OF THE HIGHWAYS WHERE PEOPLE ARE DRIVING AT 65 MPH THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A FATALITY. THIS VEHICLE WOULD NOT DO OVER 15 MPH. THE CONTACT WAS ABLE TO DRIVE HOME. THE SMALL OF THE CAR WAS VERY BAD SO THE CONTACT WAITED 20 MINUTES BEFORE LEAVING. THERE WAS NO FIRE. BOTH IGNITION CASSETTES WERE REPLACED, AS WELL AS SPARK PLUGS. *AK
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10152799March 15, 2006
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:IGNITION:MODULE
DT*: THE CONTACT STATED THE VEHICLE COMPLETELY STALLED WHILE DRIVING 20 MPH. IT WAS TOWED TO THE CONTACT'S HOME AND THEN TOWED TO THE DEALER. THEY DETERMINED THE IGNITION MODULE FAILED RESULTING IN VEHICLE STALLING AND PRODUCE DAMAGE TO OTHER ENGINE PARTS. THE MODULE, SPARK PLUGS AND THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER WERE REPLACED WHICH APPEARS TO REMEDY THE PROBLEM. THERE IS A NHTSA RECALL, # 05V399000 REGARDING THE IGNITION MODULE. THE VEHICLE HAS THE SAME PROBLEMS AS INDICATED IN THE RECALL; HOWEVER IT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE RECALL DUE TO THE VIN. UPDATED 04/06/06. *JB
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10152665March 14, 2006
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:IGNITION:MODULE
DIRECT IGNITION CASSETTES FAILED ON MY SAAB, YEAR 2000 95 WAGON WHILE DRIVING IN SARASOTA. FORTUNATELY, I WAS ABLE TO COAST ONTO A SIDE ROAD TO PARK THE CAR AND THEN (UNFORTUNATELY) WALK 3 MILES HOME. I HAD A $50 TOW CHARGE ALONG WITH THE BILL TO REPLACE THE DIC, PLUS I LOST THE USE OF MY CAR FROM MONDAY UNTIL FRIDAY. *JB
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10152686March 14, 2006
FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE:STORAGE:TANK ASSEMBLY
(1) DUE TO A MANUFACTURING DEFECT IN THE DESIGN OF THE CAR, A HOLE HAS DEVELOPED IN THE TOP OF THE PLASTIC GAS TANK OF 1999 SAAB 9-5 SEDAN. (2) A "SMOKE TEST" HAS REVEALED THE HOLE IN THE TOP OF THE TANK. THE CAR HAS DEVELOPED A GAS EVAPORATION LEAK. THERE ARE PROMINENT GAS FUMES AND SMELLS IN THE CAR'S CABIN, AND THE CHECK ENGINE LIGHT HAS COME ON. (3) THIS IS THE SECOND GAS TANK ON THE CAR, THE FIRST TANK WAS REPLACED BY A SAAB DEALERSHIP AFTER IT FAILED TO PRESSURIZE PROPERLY, A RELATED ISSUE. *JB
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10152506March 12, 2006
SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:ANTILOCK/TRACTION CONTROL/ELECTRONIC LIMITED SLIP
I WAS TRAVELING TO SAN DIEGO WHEN MY ENGINE PROBLEM LIGHT CAME ON ALONG WITH TCS, ABS AND SPEEDOMETER LIGHTS CAME ON. I HAVE LEARNED FROM PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE WITH THIS VEHICLE THAT THE ENGINE PROBLEM LIGHT MEANS THAT THIS VEHICLE ENGINE COULD BLOW UP. AFTER SPENDING THE NIGHT (NOT INTENDED) IN SAN DIEGO, I CALLED THE LOCAL DEALER AND THEY EXPLAINED THAT THIS WAS A COMMON PROBLEM AND THAT IT WAS A $2500 FIX. THEY RECOMMENDED THAT I DRIVE THE VEHICLE AND NOT WORRY ABOUT MY TRACTION CONTROL OR ABS NOT WORKING PROPERLY. I HAVE PURCHASED A NEW VEHICLE AND AM NOW WORKING ON FIXING THIS PROBLEM VIA RESOURCES ON THE WEB FOR 1/4TH THE DEALER COST. *JB
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10152418March 10, 2006
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:IGNITION:MODULE
ON FEBRUARY 15, 2006 AS I WAS EXITING MY CAR (1999 SAAB 9-5 SE), I WAS JOLTED BY FIVE "SHOCKS" WHEN I REACHED FOR THE DOOR (JUST BELOW THE WINDOW) AFTER TURNING THE IGNITION OFF AND REMOVING THE KEYS. WHEN I RETURNED TO THE CAR, IT WOULD NOT START. IT WAS TOWED TO EAST OF SWEDED (SAAB SPECIALISTS) IN BOULDER, CO FOR DIAGNOSIS OF THE PROBLEM AND REPAIR. THE DIRECT IGNITION CASSETTE WAS REPLACED, AND THE PROBLEM SOLVED. I WAS INFORMED BY THE MECHANIC THAT SAAB USA HAS RECALLED THIS PART ON THE 2000, 2001, AND 2002 SAAB 9-3 AND 9-5S. I WAS TOLD THAT THE DIRECT IGNITION CASSETTE WHICH WAS REMOVED FROM MY CAR IS THE EXACT SAME PART THAT WAS RECALLED ON THE OTHER MODEL YEARS, BUT THAT THE 1999 HAD NOT BEEN RECALLED. I STILL HAVE THE PART IN MY POSSESSION. *NM
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10152438March 10, 2006
STRUCTURE:FRAME AND MEMBERS, SUSPENSION:REAR
SOME OR ALL SAAB 9-5'S WERE MANUFACTURED WITH DEFECTIVE REAR AXLE SUBFRAMES. THESE SUBFRAMES FATIGUE AND DEFORM RESULTING IN TIRE FAILURES, UNSAFE HANDLING, PREMATURE TIRE WEAR, AND/OR OTHER POTENTIALLY FATAL PROBLEMS. I EXPERIENCED A BLOWOUT AT HIGHWAY SPEED, PREMATURE TIRE WEAR, EXCESSIVE TIRE NOISE, AND UNSETTLED VEHICLE DYNAMICS FOR OVER 6 MONTHS WHILE SAAB FOUGHT NOT TO FIX THIS PROBLEM. ONLINE BULLETIN BOARDS SUCH AS WWW.SAABNET.COM INDICATE THAT NUMEROUS OTHER OWNERS OF 9-5 SEDANS AND WAGONS, MY 1999-PRESENT HAVE EXPERIENCED SIMILAR PROBLEMS, ALMOST ALWAYS RELATED TO USING THE VEHICLE AT OR NEAR ITS GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT RATING, WHICH I BELIEVE TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY OVERSTATED BY SAAB. THE 9-5'S SUSPENSION CANNOT WITHSTAND A FULLY OR NEAR FULLY LOADED VEHICLE FOR ANY SIGNIFICANT LENGTH OF TIME AND/OR MILEAGE. *NM
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10152326March 9, 2006
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:IGNITION:MODULE
MY CAR ENGINE STOPPED, TWICE IN THE MIDDLE OF A BUSY ROAD ALMOST CAUSING AN ACCIDENT ONCE, AND A THIRD TIME COMING DOWN THE SIDE OF A MOUNTAIN LEAVING ME WITH NO ABILITY TO STEER. THE THIRD TIME I HAD IT TOWED TO A REPAIR PLACE OTHER THAN THE SAAB DEALER. THE REPAIR SHOP DIAGNOSED IT AS A FAULTY IGNITION CASSETTE. I HAD IT REPAIRED BY THE SHOP AT A CONSIDERABLE EXPENSE I WAS TOLD BY THE DEALER THAT THERE WOULD BE A SAAB RECALL FOR MY YEAR CAR. I CALLED SAAB CUSTOMER SERVICE AND WAS TOLD THAT THE RECALL WOULD BE IN MARCH 2006, BUT THAT I SHOULD SUBMIT MY EXPENSES FOR REIMBURSEMENT REVIEW WHICH I DID IN JANUARY 2006. TODAY I WAS ADVISED THAT MY CAR WAS NOT PART OF THE RECALL AND I WAS DENIED REIMBURSEMENT. SEE NHTSA CAMPAIGN #05V399000 FOR SUMMARY. *JB
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0
#10151234February 26, 2006
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:IGNITION:MODULE
CHECK ENGINE LIGHT ON 2003 SAAB 9-5 AERO DIAGNOSED AS FAILING IGNITION CASSETTE WHICH IS THE SAME FAULTY PART FOR RECALL ON THE 2000-2002 CARS ONLY. A COMPLETE FAILURE WHILE DRIVING WOULD HAVE CAUSED THE ENGINE TO TOTALLY SHUTDOWN. THIS PART WAS REPLACED AT MY COST, BUT THE ORIGINAL PART NUMBER WAS INSTALLED VS. THE NEWER UPGRADED VERSION TO HOPEFULLY PREVENT FUTURE FAILURES. RE: CAMPAIGN ID# 05V399000. SHOULDN'T THE FAULTY "ORIGINAL" PART BE PULLED FROM DEALER STOCK AND WHY HAS THE 2003 MODEL YEAR AND OTHER YEARS BEEN EXCLUDED SINCE THE FAULTY PART IS EXACTLY THE SAME? *NM
Crash:
No
Fire:
No
Injuries:
0
Deaths:
0

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